Styrofoam Chalets/Insulated Stovepipe Chalets Very Effective

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Bernie Nikolai
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Since I've had a number of personal emails asking about individual styrofoam chalets and insulated chalets, I thought I'd comment on a new thread with some photos.

The styrofoam chalets were very effective in my small test last year. Specifically, 7 of 8 were chosen by martins and fledged young. Two chalets were in Alberta, two in Texas, two in Oklahoma, and two in Tennessee. So they were equally effective with one inch styrofoam in the heat of the south as well as the cold of the north country. The problem with them is that they were just "too lightweight". As they were under one pound each, and had a lot of wind resistance, they blew around too much in a strong wind. The way around this is to mount them solidly, or to use a wooden floor to add weight. They are also more difficult to hang, being a rectangle. But the martins seemed to like the inside dimensions of 7" x13", and the one inch foam. In this photo the covering was not epoxy/cloth but rather the plastic "signboard" used for outdoor signs that looks like a sort of "plastic cardboard". The entire back comes off for nest checks, and is held on with two butterfly toggles.

Another chalet that worked very well was made of either 6" metal stovepipe or 5" stovepipe, arched over a 7" wide board, and insulated with either Great Stuff insulation, brown outdoor carpet (only on the inside arch), or a couple of rolls of cork. The advantage of the metal stovepipe is that it would be virtually hail proof, but so would styrofoam with cloth/epoxy. There is an S&K access port on the back of each for nest checks. The inside dimensions are 7" x13", and with the 1/2" wood floor, you can extend it as in one of the chalets, and it doubles as a porch. With the wood floor, these chalets are heavy enough to not be bothered too much in the wind, similar to a plastic gourd. Sorry for the rough front to the stovepipe chalets. I was experimenting with additives to epoxy, and the lumps were just too hard too sand off, so I just painted over them. The martins won't mind :lol: And I can't find my photo of the "pretty ones" right now, but you will get the idea from this photo. Both ends are 1" styrofoam. Last year chalets very similar to this were VERY successful in attracting and fledging martins.
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suem
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:idea: The stove pipe idea is great. I have been thinking of other alternative forms of housing for the Martins and Bluebirds. Do you think using PVC pipe cut in half lengthwise would work? It would be heavier to be sturdier in winds.Or how about the cardboard forms used to make cement posts or columns?? I'll check out the hardware store and let you all know what I come up with. Keep using those brain cells before they are lost. :lol:
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Bernie Nikolai
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suem wrote: Do you think using PVC pipe cut in half lengthwise would work? It would be heavier to be sturdier in winds.Or how about the cardboard forms used to make cement posts or columns?? :lol:


Suem PVC lightweight sewer and drain pipe is EXTREMELY effective for martin housing. While I personally haven't used it, mainly due to the fact we only get the thick heavy walled S&D pipe up here, probably due to our cold winter climate. I am familiar with folks who have been very successful with this method, and perhaps they will chime in and add a photo to this thread.

In a nutshell, use 6" diameter thin walled pvc pipe. Cut a 13" or so length. Next cut a straight line all along one length. With a 1/2" board that is about 6 or 7 inches wide, cut a 30 degree angle into both sides of the base board. You need a table saw to do this unfortunately. Then "force" the pvc pipe open, and OVER the board which is the base. The pvc "snaps" into the 30 degree angle cut into each side, and now becomes "an arched roof" over the flat board which is the floor. Add ppca adhesive to ensure the arch stays put, add styrofoam or wood ends, a SREH entrance with or without a tunnel, and an entrance port for inspection. You could spray paint the inside of the pvc pipe a dark colour with Krylon Fusion paint, and you have an OUTSTANDING horizontal gourd readily used by martins. The wood floor offers a flat surface, insulated, with great traction. So you would have pvc pipe as the arched roof which should be hail proof, a flat wooden floor, and inside dimensions for the martins of about 7"x13". Plus this gourd is not too heavy to be hung on a gourd rack, but heavy enough not to sway too much in the wind.

The cardboard tubes for cement would probably work, but I'd guess you would need to coat them with epoxy so water wouldn't soak into the cardboard over time. Good luck in your experiments, and let us know how they do!
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Joe Zorn

Bernie,
I like your pics of the "stovepipe gourds". Another great idea!
Like the styrofoam construction too. Those ARE big.

Joe
suem
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Bernie
Thank you so much for those directions! I have plenty of cedar board for the bases. Now, if only the hardware store was open! :!:

I am sure Fluvanna county folks will be rolling their eyes, wondering "What is Susan doin' now"!!
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The lightweight sewer & drain pvc pipe with a cedar floor is an excellent martin house. I have built some just as Bernie describes and the martins like them. No water gets into them, if it does, it drains out quickly, should be hail proof. It is amazing how good it snaps into the 30deg angle cut on the 6in cedar fence board..the cedar fence board is very cheap..pvc prices have increased dramatically recently..
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Bernie Nikolai
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A few folks have recently private messaged me asking for plans and or measurements of these chalets or the styrofoam house with epoxy/fiberglass cloth. Unfortunately I don't have any. I sort of "wing it as I go along" with the styrofoam chalets or stovepipe gourds. For the chalets, just ensure the inside dimensions are around 6" or 7" wide by 12" or 13" long. I don't think the martins care if its 72 sq. inches inside or 100 sq. inches. Personally, I think the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM for "good martin housing" is 60 square inches, or about 6" wide by 10" long. 6"x6" compartments are far, far too cramped in my humble opinion for purple martins.

For the styrofoam houses, the base is 24"x24", the walls are 6" tall, and the center square hole for a wooden 4" x4" post (which actually is 3 1/2" x3 1/2") is 4" or slightly wider, square. This will give an inside compartment size of about 8" x 13", or 104 square inches.

Don't be afraid to modify these measurements within the acceptable range (absolute minimum of 60 square inches to around 100 square inches). My feeling is you would want at least 6"x12" or 72 square inches or a bit more for the inside compartment size. Best of luck to all trying these, and please report back the results.
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Emil,

Is there a difference between lightweight sewer drain pvc and the regular pvc? I am working on some plans to modify my Trios without losing half of my compartments. Weight reduction is a major factor. If there is a pvc that is lighter weight than just the regular pvc, I'd sure like to know about it. Thanks!

Patrick
Guss P O'Brien

6" sched 40 PVC meant for pressurized service has a thickness of 0.28 inch, weight of 3.4 lb/ft, and can hold up to 160 psi pressure at room temp. http://www.pwpipe.com/literature/w/mkt-w-701.pdf You can order online for about $2/ft.

6" sewer and drain pipe (ASTM D3034) meant for gravity draining has a thickness of 0.18 inch, weight of 2.5 lb/ft, and can hold up to 46 psi pressure. http://www.pwpipe.com/literature/w/mkt-w-702a.pdf

The higher the pressure, the higher the cost. The sewer drain pipe is plenty strong enough for bird houses.
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Guss has it correct! 6" S&D pipe is plenty strong, lighter than schedule 40, and less expensive. I wouldn't use schedule 40. It's a little hard to find 6" S&D pipe but call around and someone ususally carries it but probably not at Lowes.
Emil Pampell-Tx
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Patrick, another big advantage beside the weight is that you can pry open the ripped lightweight sewer & drain pipe (I think there is a heavier S&D, and a lighter S&D). I put it on a 6in cedar board when I pry it open. There is not way that you could pry open a schedule40 pvc pipe enough to get it on a 6in board.

Of course, the weight & cost are the other difference.

A plumbing supply store can order you the lightweight pvc if they do not stock it, but you may need to buy 20ft of it, it may not come in 10ft lengths.
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