Need suggestions on best BB gun or Pellet gun

[Guest]

Hello all sharp shooters, My current BB gun is very inaccurate( it's not me, I'm a pretty good shot with a rifle and a bow) and the pellet gun I purchased was way to hard for me to pump. Any suggestions on your favorite BB or pellet guns that perform well?

[Guest]

Not to sound smart but how much are you willing to spend? I have two pellet guns one for close range out to 30 yds a RWS break barrel .177 with 4x scope around 300 dollars that is very accurate. My second gun is an FX Tarantula pre charged 22 cal. with a 4x12 scope extremely accurate out to 60yds but that is pretty expensive I have about 800 in it. I wouldn't take nothing for either one, starlings are a non event around here with those. I don't know how well the cheaper ones will perform at those distances.

[Guest]

that should have read single cocking I don't know where the rooster came from

[John & Linda - KY]

the pellet gun I purchased was way to hard for me to pump.

What brand and type of pellet gun do you already have? We might be able to give you some tips on how to pump it with less effort. -- John

[TreeGreenwood]

... My current BB gun is very inaccurate( it's not me, I'm a pretty good shot with a rifle and a bow)...

Hi, Jan. Sounds like you're suffering the same problems I did when I started using a 'springer' pellet rifle. You're not a bad shot. You just haven't unlearned what you know about shooting a firearm and learned to accurately shoot a pump or springer air rifle. I think it's actually easier to shoot accurately with an air rifle if you don't have experience with firearms. I like springers for low cost, good accuracy and a single cocking motion to reload for the next chot. One disadvantage is that you can't leave it cocked for long periods of time without damaging the spring.

You cannot treat a springer like a firearm. The firm grip, cheek weld, steady hold that gives you accuracy with a .22 target rifle just won't work with a spring-powered pellet rifle. For example, see http://www.compasseco.com/tips.html and http://www.funsupply.com/airguns/springshoot.html. It took me a couple of months of practice to unlearn firearm technique while learning to be accurate with my pellet rifles.

It sounds like you're using a Remington 77 Airmaster or similar pump gun that will take either pellets (mor accurate) or BBs. Pumpers also require different technique from firearms, especially 'follow through' -- maintaining exactly the same shooting position because of the relatively long length of time that it takes for air pressure to build up behind the projectile and begin to accellerate it through the bore. A hold like used for a springer with a full second of 'follow through' will get you shooting more accurately with a pumper. The last few pumps to get a pumper fully charged are hard but you can safely leave your pumper charged and ready for a sparrow or starling.

Since you're good with a rifle, I'd recommend a good CO2 or pre-charged rifle. Using one of them, you can use the techniques that you already know and shoot pellets pretty accurately. Pre-charged guns are a lot more expensive, with the continuing expense of CO2 cartridges or tanks and a compressor setup.

Once I learned the right technique, I've been pleased with the price and performance of the Chinese springer imports like TechForce. See http://www.compasseco.com/shop/. Others folks hate them as cheap copies.

Good shooting to you,

Tree

[Joe Zorn]

Jan, I have given that question a lot of thought as well. Like others have indicated, pellet guns can be cheapos or quite expensive.

If all I ever plan to do is control sparrows and starlings, I can't justify an expensive gun. A good trap will be much more effective. Otherwise I am going to have more holes in my PM house than I do in the S and S's. If the bird is on the porch, the pellet is going to hit the house, whether a bird was in the line of fire or not.

I have a Daisy Powerline 880S. bought it from Walmart a while back. It comes with a 4 x 15 scope that is absolutely worthless. It also has a rifeled steel barrel. But it is a pump model. Like you, I would benefit from a CO2 fired gun because of pretty bad R.Arthritis.

The rifle itself, however, after I ditched the scope is a pretty good bird and possum shooter. I was able to get a decent shot pattern in order to set the sights well enough. It has a 750 feet per second velocity. I won't need anything more than that. I think the gun sold for maybe $50.

I feel sure it will be effective at about 25 yards. I can't see well enough with one eye beyond that anyway.

On the other hand, if you'd like to do some competition shooting, or use the weapon at substantially longer ranges, perhaps a more expensive gun is for you.

Joe

[Kyle Gregoire]

Jan, its not your fault. The reason bb guns and bb s are not accurate is because they do not spin or spin erratically upon exiting the barrel. The spinning of the projectile is what keeps it on line. Pellet and real guns have twisted grooves in the barrel which spin up the projectile. This keeps it dead on line. To see these twisted grooves take an UNLOADED gun, block the breech open, and put a white piece of paper in the chamber. Put light on the paper and look down the business end of the barrel. You will see these grooves, which bb guns do not have. Thats why vanes on an arrow are slanted. To cause a spin, which stabilizes to arrow. Same principle in gun projectiles. Scientifically this is because of the gyroscopic effect and the law of inertia of motion. I guess i must have read too much as a young person. Hope this could help you. Gun safety above all and have fun martining everybody!

[Guest]

crossman makes a good gun in the co2. semi auto just pull the trigger as fast as you want--beats having to break it down, slip a pellet in close it back up and hope to get another shot if you miss. 65 bucks

[rdhd]

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[Rich Jewell In]

Jan,

I have a Crosman air source model 1077($130.00?) with a Simons 3x9x50 scope(Walmart $30.00). It's a nine shot semi-automatic. It's quiet and accurate. One air cylinder is good for about 300 shots.

Rich

[RC Moser]

I've got the grosman 1077 repeater. I'm not that impressed with it other than running off some predator by making alot of noise. FPS is too low and Problem leaking Co2 IMO, the first one I got jammed and had to take it back. Initially I thought it was going to work out, till I had it awhile, the I liked it less and less. Good gofer gun though if your real close (6 feet or less. )

Benjamin Franklin Makes a Co2 22 Cal. Air Source 392T Single shot that's much better quality IMO, but twice the price. It shoots about 650 FPS in 22 Cal. and has two power settings. The Crosman model 1077 can verily break 550FPS IMO with the lighter .177 pellet it don't have enough energy beyond 20 feet IMO.

Good luck with the springers, I couldn't get them to repeat, especially with scopes. I had three of the cheaper models (less than 250 bucks). I guess the more expensive models (aproaching 300 or 500 bucks) are better, but for that price you can have PCP enter level rifle.

My go to cheap gun is a Crosman model 2100 with a Bushnell sportman scope. The scope costs three time the gun, but it will Drive pellets at 12 meters if I do every thing right. So you don't have to spend alot of money for Acturate air gun IMO. that gun is 36 and 3 is HS kills with three sailors. One was 76 Feet, I was so impressed I measured it with a tape measure, had to aim alittle high on that one.

[Rich Jewell In]

I am suprised to hear any problem with the Crosman 1077. Mine is only a year old, but I have had no problems with air leakage and reguraly kill starlings and sparows at 60 to 70 feet. I would go with a more powerful gun but I don't want the pellet carying that far because of neighbors being 500' behind me.

Rich

[RC Moser]

Larry the Forum software wont accept the word "ock" it puts roster as an alternate words due to the profanity infractions IMO.

Rich I'm glad you've had good luck with your 1077, I just wish I could of had the same results. IMO somebody somewhere will not have the same results. I compared it to my other 5 based on their performance and energy. IMO they all overrate the FPS in there ideal test conditions without such things a wind, temperature, and humidity factored in.

[Sharon - Central TX]

Jan,
I have a Crossman Air Gun with a scope on it and it is very accurate. I am not an experienced shooter but I can take out a HS or Starling on my set-up without a problem as long as I have a steady arm :-). So if I can do it with accuracy, someone with experience definitely won't have a problem. It is so easy to load and use. I don't remember what it cost but I don't think it was a lot - maybe $100 but I don't think much more than that.
Sharon

[Guest]

Hello Jan,

I purchased 1077AS Crosman Pellet gun for under $100 that included adaptor for big 300 shot air tank, two 12 round clips and magazine for easy repeater shooting S&S at close range. But like RC Moser said it is prone to air leaks, you have to follow Crosman operating instructions on releasing air pressure when not using it. Sent it back to Crosman for 1yr warranty repairs
last month and just received letter in mail from Crosman saying my repaired air rifle would arrived in 2 weeks. I really liked it, easy, fast and with scope pretty at accurate 50 to 75 feet. So time will tell if its only good for about 11 months of usage. Good luck and happy hunting.

George Lewis

[Kyle Gregoire]

Cabelas has a decent array of pellet guns.

[Fred Kaluza~MI]

You get what you pay for! People wonder why it should cost more for a .177 caliber target gun than a nice 30:06. Well, It's about precision. Same reason a wristwatch costs more than a clock. If you're willing to spend about $1200 then look to FX from Sweeden or Daystate from the U.K. You can put pellets in the same hole repeatedly from 30 feet away and do 1/4" groups at 50. About 800 for the gun and another 350 for a good optical scope. Others have good luck with less expensive guns claiming "technique" but my shooting opportunities all vary. Sometimes I support the gun on the bed from underneath, sometimes leaning against a wall or whatever. Too much variability for me.

[Guest]

I have a Beeman springer, the HW97, made in germany by some company who's initials are HW.. LOL I used to know, but I have a bad case of CRS going. It costs $465 from www.StraightShooters.com It doesn't come with iron sights so you have to add optics to that price. I like it a lot. It shoots about 8-850fps and it's a 20 caliber. It will shoot about a 1" group at 30 yds if I do my part. It Feels like my 'real' rifles when I shoulder it. You do have to rooster it tho (I went ahead and typed rooster since it was going to end up that anyway LOL). I wish I could afford one of those high end semi-auto PCPs I read about, but they run in the $1000-1500 range and even I'm not crazy(or rich) enough for that.

I hear that lots of people get decent use from the Tech Force rifles, but they're single rooster springers too.

Ian

[Guest]

Rogers and Clark carried a single break spring action rifle made by Beeman. The Beeman Model R7 is my choice because it has the most silent report. That is important where I live. The Beeman's mostly all shoot a .177 or BB very accurately shot cutting shot at seventy five feet.
That is fine quality shooting with any gun. The .177 pellets move at about 1000 fps. This is a quality item. The Beemans are pricy.

Cabelas presently are listing several reconditioned .177 of similar specifications under $150.00 I believe with optics included.

[Guest]

I have a benjamin .22 that I bought at academy for about 80.00. I spent another 30.00 I think for a Pellet gun scope. It's very accurate and I haven't missed a beat with it. Although I also use a trap, I find the gun invaluable for those smart HOSP's and Starlings.