One or three colonies?
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John Barrow
- Posts: 982
- Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:12 pm
- Location: Corpus Christi / Sandia , Texas
Keith,
I would think whatever you choose to call it would be up to you. Do you do nest-checks, keep records? I see that you had 84 pairs in 2020 --was that on the 8 acres? How are the different sites performing? Any owls or predators around? Do you do nest checks, keep records?
I have an 8 acre site in So Tx. I run 32 gourds on it and don't need more. I gifted a Troyer system to a neighbor down the grade within 200 yards to supplement his small martin house. He exchanged it for a 16 unit Troyer and cut out some trees from his front yard. Both of us are equaling out today. Both "colonies" are popular.
At my colony of 32 gourds, I nest checked and recorded 13 pairs that raised two broods of nestlings, most fledging around 11 or 12 for the season of 2012.
In 2014 we recovered 8 of 13 martins that had been tagged with geolocators in 2013--the best recovery to that date. (The other 5 were recovered from my home colony of about 45 pairs in Corpus Christi).
A colony, colonies, super colonies, or whatever you choose to name it is up to the host. IMO, keeping records, offering sustainable housing and reaching peaks with the martins is what's it's about. All personal!!
I would think whatever you choose to call it would be up to you. Do you do nest-checks, keep records? I see that you had 84 pairs in 2020 --was that on the 8 acres? How are the different sites performing? Any owls or predators around? Do you do nest checks, keep records?
I have an 8 acre site in So Tx. I run 32 gourds on it and don't need more. I gifted a Troyer system to a neighbor down the grade within 200 yards to supplement his small martin house. He exchanged it for a 16 unit Troyer and cut out some trees from his front yard. Both of us are equaling out today. Both "colonies" are popular.
At my colony of 32 gourds, I nest checked and recorded 13 pairs that raised two broods of nestlings, most fledging around 11 or 12 for the season of 2012.
In 2014 we recovered 8 of 13 martins that had been tagged with geolocators in 2013--the best recovery to that date. (The other 5 were recovered from my home colony of about 45 pairs in Corpus Christi).
A colony, colonies, super colonies, or whatever you choose to name it is up to the host. IMO, keeping records, offering sustainable housing and reaching peaks with the martins is what's it's about. All personal!!
~~TEAMED WITH A MARTIN GODDESS~~
Member/Mentor-PMCA. I do regular nestchecks and participate in PROJECT MARTINWATCH!! Coordinated 3 geolocator studies-2009, 2010 & 2013. State and Fed licensed bander (retired Jan., 2020)
Member/Mentor-PMCA. I do regular nestchecks and participate in PROJECT MARTINWATCH!! Coordinated 3 geolocator studies-2009, 2010 & 2013. State and Fed licensed bander (retired Jan., 2020)
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flyin-lowe
- Posts: 3792
- Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
- Location: Indiana/Henry Co.
I'm guessing the only way to actually answer your question would be with a banding study. There is no way to know what the birds are thinking. But if they were banded and from one year to the next most of the birds from each cluster of houses returned to that same cluster then they probably look at each group of houses as a separate colony. If over the years the birds were jumping from one location on your property to another I would say they look at the entire place as one colony...
2026 HOSP 29
2025 62 pair HOSP 20
2024 60 pair, HOSP 44
2023 60+ pair, HOSP 8
2022 60 nests with 262 eggs, HOSP 14
2021 62 pair, HOSP 9
2020 42 nest, HOSP 8
2019- 31 pair
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair, 12 eggs , fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
2025 62 pair HOSP 20
2024 60 pair, HOSP 44
2023 60+ pair, HOSP 8
2022 60 nests with 262 eggs, HOSP 14
2021 62 pair, HOSP 9
2020 42 nest, HOSP 8
2019- 31 pair
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair, 12 eggs , fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
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Keith
- Posts: 435
- Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:45 pm
- Location: Missouri/Ava
- Martin Colony History: 85 pair in 2020. Seems fairly consistent the last few years.
I combine the 3 to arrive at my totals. Some years back when my 30 compartment housing was full, I added another set of housing in another area and then when it almost filled, I put more at other edge of property. What I find interesting is that each of the three sets always arrive a few weeks apart in order they were installed. If there is any advantage to this set-up it is that warnings of hawk present us heard by all.
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C.C.Martins
- Posts: 3368
- Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
- Location: Corpus Christi Tx
- Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
2022- 33 pair. 151 fledged
2023- 33 pair. 165 fledged
2024- 40 pair. 185 fledged
2025- 40 pair. 181 fledged
HOSP:
Home colony: mix natural, super, Troyer and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.
Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 49 PMCA excluder gourds; 16 room Lonestar Goliad with Modified Excluder entrances.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
2022: 11 pair, 35 fledged
2023: 18 pair, 101 fledged
2024: 39 pair, 181 fledged
2025: 51 pair, 216 fledged
PMCA member
Keith,Keith wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:20 pmI combine the 3 to arrive at my totals. Some years back when my 30 compartment housing was full, I added another set of housing in another area and then when it almost filled, I put more at other edge of property. What I find interesting is that each of the three sets always arrive a few weeks apart in order they were installed. If there is any advantage to this set-up it is that warnings of hawk present us heard by all.
Quite right on the early hawk warning. One of the many benefits to my neighbor having his gourds in front like mine is more watchful eyes, hawks do try and im sure are sucessful but after watching a hawk fly low along a sidewalk, between cars, and before it could get into his gourds from below, ours had raised the alarm and they all took off. Man that hawk was fast.
Really helps.
Good luck this coming season!
Tom
A good house sparrow is a dead house sparrow.
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
