Altering gourds

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hobbiehobbie
Posts: 29
Joined: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:09 am
Location: Tuscaloosa AL

HI

We are new to the Purple Martin scene and could really use some advice.

I initially ordered and erected a barn style house. I was completely underwhelmed by the quality and the Martins seemed to feel the same way about it.
After several weeks of passionate campaigning, I was successful at convincing my husband to make me a better martin colony pole, taller and with hay rake tines welded to it. The second one we erected is more like the ones my grandmother had around her house when I was little. I have eight gourds on it - 4 natural, 3 Royal Wing plastic gourds, and one other plastic gourd my neighbor gave me.

I play the dawnsong every morning, daytime chatter all day and I pray for success every night :)

Yesterday evening we were extremely excited to observe 6 birds fly into our gourds and we believe they stayed the night.

They seem to prefer the natural gourds.
I had not added any type of perch, nor roof to keep rain out nor any other type of improvement to the natural gourds.

I have a few questions I hope someone might help me with.

Since they stayed overnight in my gourds, can I assume they will stay and raise their little families here with us?

Should I alter the natural gourds even tho the birds seem to have expressed a preference for them?

If I do indeed need to add drip caps, porches or what ever else, what type of adhesive should I use?
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Whippy
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Location: Plano, Texas
Martin Colony History: See Signature

Hobbie,

That is one of the nicest gourd racks I have seen. Absolute pure coolness.

If you were to do any modifications I would recommend putting tunnels on the S&K gourds you have. S&K has tunnels that go on them very easily. I use those same gourds with tunnels and they get used up every year. The tunnel entrance can either be a crescent or round hole. Whichever one you choose there is a plug for the other hole.

The way you have those gourds mounted allows water to drip down into the gourds. Lower the rack and put a wick of some sort on those loops so the water will wick off the side rather wick into the gourd. Roofs are not necessary. But just imagine how water adheres to a surface until it is forced to fall off.

No need to alter the naturals if they like them the way they are. If the Martins were using the other gourds over the naturals then maybe but since they prefer them now, no need to change in m opinion.

Not sure you have done this or not but pre-nesting with white pine needles will give them a head start. Also put a teaspoon of Sevin dust under the needles to rid them of parasites.

You'll get a lot of great responses as the days progress.

Good luck to you.

Coolwhips
2016 - many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - 15 pair, 67 fledged
2021 - 29 pair, 117 fledged
2022 - 35 pair, 130 fledged
2023 - 43 pair, 196 fledged
hobbiehobbie
Posts: 29
Joined: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:09 am
Location: Tuscaloosa AL

Whippy,

Thank you so much for you advice. I have spent countless hours reading and studying about the right and wrong way to do this. Its nice to get real advice from a real human. I will order the tunnels today. Will it not bother the martins for me to add them?

I did put the pine straw inside, but did not use seven. Ill pick some up today. I had stopped using it in my garden since it kills bees, but it shouldn't hurt if its inside the gourds I guess.

We are going to add some sort of predator guard this weekend and I'll work on the leaky roof problem too.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate your assistance. Ive become quite obsessed with these little fellas and I want to make sure I do everything right.
Whippy
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Location: Plano, Texas
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Real Human? My wife might have issues with that. :lol:

Adding a predator guard is a great idea and, looks like you're in the country a bit, so adding it should be mandatory. Not sure what kind of snakes you have in the area but snake netting might not be a bad idea either.

If the martins are not using those S&K's right now, adding the tunnel won't cause any issues. If a pair takes up residence in one of them while you await your order, it'll be ok to change the unoccupied ones and leave theirs alone for this year. (I've never changed housing once its been chosen so I don't want to say its ok without having done it myself). You can add the tunnel to it after they leave and when they get back next year they'll move right on in not giving the change any mind at all. In fact, the Martin that started my colony has lived in three different gourds over the years but they've all been in the exact same spot and orientation as previous years.

Do a search here on the forum using "snake netting" and "predator guard" as key words. You'll find plenty of hands on advice from others here who have years of experience in such matters.

Coolwhips
2016 - many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - 15 pair, 67 fledged
2021 - 29 pair, 117 fledged
2022 - 35 pair, 130 fledged
2023 - 43 pair, 196 fledged
C.C.Martins
Posts: 3368
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
2022- 33 pair. 151 fledged
2023- 33 pair. 165 fledged
2024- 40 pair. 185 fledged
2025- 40 pair. 181 fledged
HOSP:
Home colony: mix natural, super, Troyer and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.

Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 49 PMCA excluder gourds; 16 room Lonestar Goliad with Modified Excluder entrances.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
2022: 11 pair, 35 fledged
2023: 18 pair, 101 fledged
2024: 39 pair, 181 fledged
2025: 51 pair, 216 fledged
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Yep, agree with whippy. Id also agree hes human despite his wife's concerns. :lol:
You could add a canopy over the natural gourd entrance without disturbing the martins, it will assist in keeping their nest dry. Its available on line, just a short strip of tin over the entrance.
Sevin will make your birds healthy, and a predator guard a must.
I love tunnels, so do the martins.
Good luck this season!
Tom
A good house sparrow is a dead house sparrow.
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
PMDavid
Posts: 534
Joined: Wed May 16, 2018 8:50 pm
Location: Boyce,Louisiana
Martin Colony History: 2018 1 lone nut and lots of visitors
2019 6 pair -21fledged
2020 18 pair -60 fledged
2021......to be seen.
24 natural gourds on a satellite rack,9 other gourds scattered around
2-12 compartment trio houses
Rarely see a sparrow or starling,but when I do they don’t last long!
Will have a second satellite rack for the 2022 season and phase out the houses,the martins here strongly prefer natural gourds.

Hi there hobbie ,the rain will follow the wires down to the hole and then weep into the gourd dripping on the birds. Boy are they gonna be mad! I don’t have all the pics anymore. But if you will look at the top of the page and then go to page 8 you will find a complete process of how to “rain proof” a natural gourd. It involves a little work but it’s not hard. If you can’t find the page or have some questions then post it up and I’ll keep and eye out for your post. This process keeps a natural gourd totally dry,as I have checked them many times after a big rain and they are dry. A dry Martin is a happy martin. Let me know if you need any assistance.
Kegger
Posts: 381
Joined: Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:58 am
Location: Awesome Florida
Martin Colony History: 2020: 2 pair of SY with 4 eggs ,fledge 7
2021: 5 pair 25 eggs fledge 18, 4 egg 2nd brood attempt
2022: 13 pair 61 eggs fledge 56 added 11 cavs. now 22 total
2023 15 pair 75 eggs fledge 51 only 3 of 11 eggs hatched cavity 10
2024 11 pair 50 eggs fledge
26. 1 renest cav1, cav10 8 eggs 8 fledged 2 couples ASY and Sy

The rack has a special styling to it An eye catcher! try not to lose that with your alterations.
hobbiehobbie
Posts: 29
Joined: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:09 am
Location: Tuscaloosa AL

I appreciate all the responses!!

Y'all are the best!

I have to give my husband 100% of the credit for my cute little gourd rack. I pointed out a few around town that I liked, and showed him a youtube video of the wench contraption and this is what he produced. I was very very pleased with the outcome....and it only took about 8 months of me hardcore badgering him to get it done:)

Happy wife, happy life :)

I have birds staying the nights in some of the gourds, so Im going to go ahead and count this as a success. YAY!!!


Now....about the weather proofing...

Can I use flex seal around the hole at the top?

Its supposed to rain here tomorrow AND Im having surgery on a broken ankle tomorrow. I would like to do something today.

Ill get busy reading on the site for a solution, but if y'all have any quick tips please let me know.

Again, thank you so much for all of your helpful tips. This has been such a rewarding project so far. It just brings me such joy to watch these beautiful creatures and hear their happy sounds.
C.C.Martins
Posts: 3368
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
2022- 33 pair. 151 fledged
2023- 33 pair. 165 fledged
2024- 40 pair. 185 fledged
2025- 40 pair. 181 fledged
HOSP:
Home colony: mix natural, super, Troyer and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.

Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 49 PMCA excluder gourds; 16 room Lonestar Goliad with Modified Excluder entrances.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
2022: 11 pair, 35 fledged
2023: 18 pair, 101 fledged
2024: 39 pair, 181 fledged
2025: 51 pair, 216 fledged
PMCA member

Sounds like you need an immediate fix, go for the flex seal. May be a bugger getting off but I'd do it. Hope the surgery goes ok!

Welcome to the world of being a landlord, and yep happy wife happy life!
A good house sparrow is a dead house sparrow.
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
hobbiehobbie
Posts: 29
Joined: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:09 am
Location: Tuscaloosa AL

Update

YAY!!

I could see the martins carrying nest material up to the gourds this morning, so I guess they are planning on staying :) Its possible that they have been doing this for the last few days and I just couldn't see it. Im very excited tho :)
C.C.Martins
Posts: 3368
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
2022- 33 pair. 151 fledged
2023- 33 pair. 165 fledged
2024- 40 pair. 185 fledged
2025- 40 pair. 181 fledged
HOSP:
Home colony: mix natural, super, Troyer and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.

Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 49 PMCA excluder gourds; 16 room Lonestar Goliad with Modified Excluder entrances.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
2022: 11 pair, 35 fledged
2023: 18 pair, 101 fledged
2024: 39 pair, 181 fledged
2025: 51 pair, 216 fledged
PMCA member

Thats great and I'm sure they have been busy at it, once one starts they all do. I miss that part, so much fun to watch. First year I was glued to nest building, a female liked her twigs and longer sticks but would hold them horizontally and try to enter, she would fight and fight and then pout. It was like trying to take a broom stick in the door sideways. Finally she flew off and got a good dive going and bam in she goes, bent stick and all. So much fun.
Enjoy!!!!
A good house sparrow is a dead house sparrow.
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
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