Hi everyone,
I will do a nest check today and I know that several of the nests are empty since the young have fledged. They do come back in the evening to roost but I wanted to know if it would be ok to remove the old nest now to give them more room to roost and to keep the compartments clean. What do you think?
Brent
Removing old nest
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ToyinPA
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- Martin Colony History: The 1972 St. Agnes flood wiped out all the Martins in my area. One day, in 1997-98, 5 or 6 Martins landed on the power wires crossing my back yard. I had no house for them. They kept coming back day after day. We got a martin house a few weeks later & they have been coming back every year since. I average 12-15 pair per year.
It'd be best if you change the dirty nest out or let it be.brent wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:38 amHi everyone,
I will do a nest check today and I know that several of the nests are empty since the young have fledged. They do come back in the evening to roost but I wanted to know if it would be ok to remove the old nest now to give them more room to roost and to keep the compartments clean. What do you think?
Brent
Toy in PA
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As long as you replace the nesting material it should be ok.
Some Martins can be real picky about entering a Gourd that doesn't look familiar though.
Some Martins can be real picky about entering a Gourd that doesn't look familiar though.
Colony started in 2002
Offering 82 Troyer Horizontal Gourds
2018 - 45 PAIR - FLEDGED 203 MARTINS
2019 - 68 PAIR - FLEDGED 268 MARTINS
2020 - 82 PAIR - FLEDGED 392 MARTINS
2021 - 78 PAIR - FLEDGED 349 MARTINS
2022 - 76 PAIR - FLEDGED 373 MARTINS
2023 - 68 PAIR - FLEDGED 355 MARTINS
*2023 Added 2”X4” wire cages to all three Troyer Gemini Gourd Racks to deal with Great Horned Owl predation on Colony.
Offering 82 Troyer Horizontal Gourds
2018 - 45 PAIR - FLEDGED 203 MARTINS
2019 - 68 PAIR - FLEDGED 268 MARTINS
2020 - 82 PAIR - FLEDGED 392 MARTINS
2021 - 78 PAIR - FLEDGED 349 MARTINS
2022 - 76 PAIR - FLEDGED 373 MARTINS
2023 - 68 PAIR - FLEDGED 355 MARTINS
*2023 Added 2”X4” wire cages to all three Troyer Gemini Gourd Racks to deal with Great Horned Owl predation on Colony.
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ToyinPA
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- Martin Colony History: The 1972 St. Agnes flood wiped out all the Martins in my area. One day, in 1997-98, 5 or 6 Martins landed on the power wires crossing my back yard. I had no house for them. They kept coming back day after day. We got a martin house a few weeks later & they have been coming back every year since. I average 12-15 pair per year.
It'd be best if you added some nesting material. A good handful would be enough. They are still returning to their "nest". If their nest is empty they may think a predator was in it & not return.
Toy in PA
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flyin-lowe
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Unless there is a problem with it like being wet and moldy/stinky or infested I would just leave it until they migrate back south. Shouldn't be to much longer if there have fledged young already.
2026 HOSP 29
2025 62 pair HOSP 20
2024 60 pair, HOSP 44
2023 60+ pair, HOSP 8
2022 60 nests with 262 eggs, HOSP 14
2021 62 pair, HOSP 9
2020 42 nest, HOSP 8
2019- 31 pair
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair, 12 eggs , fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
2025 62 pair HOSP 20
2024 60 pair, HOSP 44
2023 60+ pair, HOSP 8
2022 60 nests with 262 eggs, HOSP 14
2021 62 pair, HOSP 9
2020 42 nest, HOSP 8
2019- 31 pair
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair, 12 eggs , fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
Thanks everyone. I just completed the nest check and left the nest alone. This forum is so useful. I thought, at first, it would be beneficial to clean out the nest never thinking that it is what they are familiar with and it's their home until they leave. Thanks again.
Brent
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Conrad Baker
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I don't remove any nesting until after the season. It seems the Martins have a second brooding, and I think they would feel more comfortable and likely to re use the nest if nothing has changed. I suppose the same Martins use the same nest for their second brooding. I may add a little more pine needles after the first brooding, and add more Sevin dust, but not much else is done (of course removing egg shells or other undesirable contents). I usually take the housing down around mid-July after all the Martins have left and clean them out then.
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flyin-lowe
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For the most part martins won't have a second set of eggs unless something went wrong very early on in the season with the first set of eggs. If it was later in the season and the babies were killed more then likely they wouldn't lay more eggs at that point.
2026 HOSP 29
2025 62 pair HOSP 20
2024 60 pair, HOSP 44
2023 60+ pair, HOSP 8
2022 60 nests with 262 eggs, HOSP 14
2021 62 pair, HOSP 9
2020 42 nest, HOSP 8
2019- 31 pair
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair, 12 eggs , fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
2025 62 pair HOSP 20
2024 60 pair, HOSP 44
2023 60+ pair, HOSP 8
2022 60 nests with 262 eggs, HOSP 14
2021 62 pair, HOSP 9
2020 42 nest, HOSP 8
2019- 31 pair
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair, 12 eggs , fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
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2017: 4 pairs - 17 fledged
If the nest is very dirty and beat down, and if I see fledglings returning nightly to sleep in it I usually replace the nest. Otherwise I just clean them all out at the end of the season.
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Conrad Baker
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Is it possible the first set on Martins have moved on, and a second set move in to raise a family? I'm sure that I have two different laying sessions going on, the first around April, the second inJune. I was thinking this was the same Martins raising a second brood, but it is possible it is a different group that move in to raise some babies. Maybe something to do with the Gulf South area (on a migration route), that birds are moving through my area going both ways (at different times of the Season of course) raising families? No way for me to know for sure if it is the same Adult Martins in April and June raising the broods.flyin-lowe wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:40 amFor the most part martins won't have a second set of eggs unless something went wrong very early on in the season with the first set of eggs. If it was later in the season and the babies were killed more then likely they wouldn't lay more eggs at that point.
Interesting. I'm going to keep an eye on this posts because I don't know the answer to that. Most of my birds have fledged with the exception of one nest that will not fledged until next week. Every day I see fewer and fewer martins staying over night and I suspect that gradually all will be gone, migrating back. Last year, I did not have martins lay a second clutch nor did I have a second family move in but who knows.
Brent
