Project Martinwatch

[Dave Reynolds]

I have a question... When filling out the Project Martinwatch form.. After the fledgling have fledge.. What “CODE” do I use to show that they have all fledged... Just an Empty Nest..?? Thanks

Dave

[Kyler]

Dave,
I have always just put a X.

Kyler,

[Dave Reynolds]

Dave,
I have always just put a X.

Kyler,

Kyler ,,, Thanks so much... I had heard that some people did nest checks all year long, and filled out the form.. But their nest check form was rejected because they forgot to finished the last nest check, So now all I need to do is put an “X” on the last nest check..

Dave

[Ed Svetich-WI]

What does Bio Joe suggest? They rejected mine several years ago also.

[Kyler]

Dave,
Yes that is all I have put and they have accepted it the last 2 years!

Ed,
Did they email you or something that told you that they rejected it?

Kyler,

[Ed Svetich-WI]

As I remember it, the gentleman I spoke with at the time told me that my data had not been used in the final tabulation because I had not indicated fledgling, although I had indicated how many fledged from each gourd in the far right column of the spreadsheet. After keeping a seasons worth of data, I was a bit upset to say the least.

Ed

[daveh]

I write down what I see. If there are 3 young in compartment or gourd I write that on the martin watch sheet. If they haveall fledged, then I write down 0 young, or really 0y.

Dave

[BioJoe]

The disqualifying criteria for PMW datasheets are:
1. Nest checks are >7 days apart
2. No final nest check showing an empty nest after nestlings have reached 26 days old

As for the indication on the data sheet:
Any indication that the nest is empty is acceptable. Some use an X to show an empty nest. Some use F to indicate fledged.

The bottom line is that we need to see that a check has been done after fledging (but still within the 7 day frequency). Otherwise, there is no way to eliminate the possibility that all of the fledglings are dead in the nest.

Hope this clarifies things.

[TheSmiths]

BigJoe, I participate in NestWatch & was planning to transpose my info onto MartinWatch sheets for submission. There was at least one occasion when 10 days passed between nest checks due to inclement weather. Would that mean none of the data for that nest is usable? I don't want to bog either one of us down with paperwork if the submission will be rejected.

On a related note: What criteria needs to be met for roost data to be useful/accepted? I had computer problems when I submitted info about a roost in Paducah, KY so I don't believe all of the fields were filled out. Was the roost not added to the map because it was not of a significant size or was it rejected because some of the info was missing? I've been attempting to make contact with individuals regarding that site as well as some others further downriver but don't want to gather info if it isn't of interest to PMCA.

Thanks!

[Gauxt]

Joe. If any of the nest checks are greater than 7 days apart, are you saying all the data on the sheet will NOT be used?
Please let me know. If that's the case I'll just keep my own records and not bother with submitting the data sheet.

[BioJoe]

Regarding nest checks greater than 7 days apart: It's worth sending it in to us. A closer look at the data will help us determine if some or all of the data is usable. The nest check frequency has some gray area, but the final nest check requirement does not.

Regarding the roost reporting: Simply complete as much of the report form as possible. It does not have as stringent criteria as the nest check data. The reason that it's not displaying on the map is that this component of the website is perennially bugged. We're working to resolve it, but it's going to require a complete redesign on the internal structure of the code. Bottom line: if you submit the data we have it even though it doesn't show on the map.

[Dave Reynolds]

The disqualifying criteria for PMW datasheets are:
1. Nest checks are >7 days apart
2. No final nest check showing an empty nest after nestlings have reached 26 days old

As for the indication on the data sheet:
Any indication that the nest is empty is acceptable. Some use an X to show an empty nest. Some use F to indicate fledged.

The bottom line is that we need to see that a check has been done after fledging (but still within the 7 day frequency). Otherwise, there is no way to eliminate the possibility that all of the fledglings are dead in the nest.

Hope this clarifies things.

.


Thanks BioJoe,,, Will do my best to get it right.. Once I’m done with the form.. How is it sent to you.. By Email?? Is it on the form?? Or do I cut and paste it ,, to get it to you??

Dave

[BioJoe]

You can mail us the form, email a scan, email a spreadsheet, or use our online system to submit the data (time intensive if not done throughout the year).

options are all listed on the bottom of the page here: https://www.purplemartin.org/research/1 ... rtinwatch/

[randyM]

I submitted my colony nesting data to PMCA last year and it was accept. This year my schedule did not allow me to conduct nest checks at required intervals. However, I will still submit my data from this year to PMCA once the last nests fledges (7 of 10 nests currently with young).

I also submit all of my nest data (for martins, bluebirds, wrens, and tree swallows) to the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. They have a really neat website that allows you to fill in your data online as you check each of your nests. The site provides an up to date summary of your nests for each species (total eggs, total hatched, total fledged, nest success, etc.) and for year you submit data. You always have access to view your data from past years' and the current year. You can find out more by checking out their website at https://nestwatch.org.

I too have submitted info for a martin roost the past few years located in Bismarck, ND. I was wondering why it did not show up on the map. The birds have already begun to roost there again this year. It would be nice if the martin roost map was updated so others can use this map to view active roost in their area.

[TheSmiths]

Regarding nest checks greater than 7 days apart: It's worth sending it in to us. A closer look at the data will help us determine if some or all of the data is usable. The nest check frequency has some gray area, but the final nest check requirement does not.

Got it.

...it's going to require a complete redesign on the internal structure of the code.

Yikes.

Bottom line: if you submit the data we have it even though it doesn't show on the map.

Thanks.

I also submit all of my nest data (for martins, bluebirds, wrens, and tree swallows) to the Cornell Lab of Ornithology.

I do that as well. I've also participated in "Sparrow Swap" in the past.

[BioJoe]

Yikes is the correct response.

Regarding nest checks greater than 7 days apart: It's worth sending it in to us. A closer look at the data will help us determine if some or all of the data is usable. The nest check frequency has some gray area, but the final nest check requirement does not.

Got it.

...it's going to require a complete redesign on the internal structure of the code.

Yikes.

Bottom line: if you submit the data we have it even though it doesn't show on the map.

Thanks.

I also submit all of my nest data (for martins, bluebirds, wrens, and tree swallows) to the Cornell Lab of Ornithology.

I do that as well. I've also participated in "Sparrow Swap" in the past.

[Okie]

Kyler I really enjoyed your article in the magazine. Thanks so much for writing and sending it. I think I can safely say that most all of us "adults" on the forum are endeared to both you and Marcus and love hearing what you have to say. It is so encouraging to watch the future of Purple Martins unfolding before us.
Good luck with all your ventures and may the Martins shine upon you.
Okie

[Dave Reynolds]

Yikes is the correct response.

Regarding nest checks greater than 7 days apart: It's worth sending it in to us. A closer look at the data will help us determine if some or all of the data is usable. The nest check frequency has some gray area, but the final nest check requirement does not.

Got it.

...it's going to require a complete redesign on the internal structure of the code.

Yikes.

Bottom line: if you submit the data we have it even though it doesn't show on the map.

Thanks.

I also submit all of my nest data (for martins, bluebirds, wrens, and tree swallows) to the Cornell Lab of Ornithology.

I do that as well. I've also participated in "Sparrow Swap" in the past.

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Thank you Bio Joe for all your help.. I submitted my Martinwatch form yesterday ,,, And received a e-mail that it will be used in the Purple Martin Research project.. Thanks again for your patience with me and all the new landlords.

Dave