Time to gather pine straw in south central PA

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HighRise071117
Posts: 11
Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:15 am
Location: Perry County, PA USA
Martin Colony History: 2019
Pole #1, T-14 with Troyer Tunnels and 1 brown natural gourd, 1 white natural gourd, 1 Troyer Horizontal gourd, 1 Troyer Vertical gourd hanging underneath, 96' from residence.

Pole #2, K-Series 18 gourd rack with 1 PMCA's Excluder, 3 Troyer Vertical, 3 Troyer Horizontal gourds, 64' from residence.

Pole #3 T-14 with round entrances. Two decoys sitting on porches 32' from residence.

2019
ASY male with SY female arrived 05/25/2019. I can not prove but I think he is the SY male that was here last year. He went to same Troyer Vertical gourd he favored last year. They have been here every day since arriving including today (05/30/2019).

2018
One SY Male stayed 30+ days but was unable to get one of many females to stay and nest. A couple other SY males tried for a week or so and also failed.

Hi Everyone,

The white pine trees are sheading their old pine needles at this time in south central PA.
I happen to have about a 40' white pine tree in my yard.
It was our live potted Christmas tree many years ago.
Armed with a tarp, I had two five gallon buckets filled in no time.
Just lay tarp on the ground under the tree, start as high as you can reach and shake branches from highest to lowest.
I will be getting more this week.
I only got one chigger bite! :grin: (chiggers like pine trees)

I have three pictures but no photobucket account. :-(

Regards,
Mark
ToyinPA
Posts: 2227
Joined: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:07 pm
Location: PA/Avis
Martin Colony History: The 1972 St. Agnes flood wiped out all the Martins in my area. One day, in 1997-98, 5 or 6 Martins landed on the power wires crossing my back yard. I had no house for them. They kept coming back day after day. We got a martin house a few weeks later & they have been coming back every year since. I average 12-15 pair per year.

HighRise071117 wrote:Hi Everyone,

The white pine trees are sheading their old pine needles at this time in south central PA.
I happen to have about a 40' white pine tree in my yard.
It was our live potted Christmas tree many years ago.
Armed with a tarp, I had two five gallon buckets filled in no time.
Just lay tarp on the ground under the tree, start as high as you can reach and shake branches from highest to lowest.
I will be getting more this week.
I only got one chigger bite! :grin: (chiggers like pine trees)

I have three pictures but no photobucket account. :-(

Regards,
Mark
Mark:

If you wait a few weeks those pine needles will fall on their own & cooler temps may prevent chigger bites.

To post photos you need to resize them down to a smaller size... example: a 6 x 8 inch photo would be 432 pixels W x 583 pixels H. You don't need a photo bucket account. If you save/resize photos in your computer just save them as "jpeg" in a folder. When you post a message click on the "attachments" tab below your post, find & add your photo file, then click "preview". If your photo shows up the size is OK. If not go back & make it a little smaller. It's a little different adding photos using a cell phone. Someone posted on how to do that this past martin season.

I noticed in your "martin history" you posted your friend had a chick with 43 blowfly larva. 12 days is too long to wait to do a nest change. By then the blowfly larva had done their nasty deed sucking the chick dry. I would suggest a nest change at 6 days, remove all larva from chick, & then do another nest change at 12-20 days if needed. I often do 3 or 4 nest changes, as needed, especially if there are more than 2 chicks. The nests can get used up or messy the more chicks there are.

2017 was a bad year for many landlords in the northern states. May was a very cold & wet month that damaged tons of eggs.

Keep trying Mark. They should be arriving mid to late March in your area. Keep checking the scout reports & as soon as any are reported in southern PA open your housing. Make your housing entrances look used. Pre-nest & smear just a little mud around the outside entrances & just a little inside too.

Once you get any martins supplement feed. Lots of posts her on how to do that. The best time to try may be right after they arrive, especially if the weather is bad. Keep trying, as it may take several ties. They often arrive cold & hungry, or the weather changes & they need help. Also offer crushed egg shells or oyster shells. This can make a difference in egg laying.

Only 6 moths to go until they return :).

Best wishes,
Toy in PA
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HighRise071117
Posts: 11
Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:15 am
Location: Perry County, PA USA
Martin Colony History: 2019
Pole #1, T-14 with Troyer Tunnels and 1 brown natural gourd, 1 white natural gourd, 1 Troyer Horizontal gourd, 1 Troyer Vertical gourd hanging underneath, 96' from residence.

Pole #2, K-Series 18 gourd rack with 1 PMCA's Excluder, 3 Troyer Vertical, 3 Troyer Horizontal gourds, 64' from residence.

Pole #3 T-14 with round entrances. Two decoys sitting on porches 32' from residence.

2019
ASY male with SY female arrived 05/25/2019. I can not prove but I think he is the SY male that was here last year. He went to same Troyer Vertical gourd he favored last year. They have been here every day since arriving including today (05/30/2019).

2018
One SY Male stayed 30+ days but was unable to get one of many females to stay and nest. A couple other SY males tried for a week or so and also failed.

I noticed in your "martin history" you posted your friend had a chick with 43 blowfly larva.

Best wishes,
Toy in PA[/quote]


Hi Toy in PA,

Thanks for your reply.

When I did the nest change (early afternoon) I did not see any blowfly larva on chick.
The chick looked healthy weight and size wise. Used chart to compare. But I'm no expert.
If both parents were sleeping in the gourd then there would be three birds for the blowfly larva to feed on?
I remember reading that first nest change should not be done before 10 days old.
I'm still learning.

Regards,
Mark
ToyinPA
Posts: 2227
Joined: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:07 pm
Location: PA/Avis
Martin Colony History: The 1972 St. Agnes flood wiped out all the Martins in my area. One day, in 1997-98, 5 or 6 Martins landed on the power wires crossing my back yard. I had no house for them. They kept coming back day after day. We got a martin house a few weeks later & they have been coming back every year since. I average 12-15 pair per year.

HighRise071117 wrote:I noticed in your "martin history" you posted your friend had a chick with 43 blowfly larva.

Best wishes,
Toy in PA

Hi Toy in PA,

Thanks for your reply.

When I did the nest change (early afternoon) I did not see any blowfly larva on chick.
The chick looked healthy weight and size wise. Used chart to compare. But I'm no expert.
If both parents were sleeping in the gourd then there would be three birds for the blowfly larva to feed on?
I remember reading that first nest change should not be done before 10 days old.
I'm still learning.

Regards,
Mark[/quote]

Mark:

We all start out new & learn as we go. Old info is still out there, but we are all learning & testing new methods as we go. Things change, hopefully for the betterment of the Martins.

I've done nest changes, due to blowfly larva, at 4 days old. The important thing is to get rid of the larva ASAP, as they can cause major damage to a chick in 2 days. The chicks don't have a lot of blood & the larva can feed on them 24x7, causing the chick to weaken. Once they reach a certain point they can not recover. The larva don't like light, so they hide under the nesting material. Many will crawl off in the morning & hide until evening hours. However I have found them on chicks at any time of day.

When doing nest changes on chicks only a few days old, just use caution handling them. Place them in a box or bowl with nesting material. I used to tell others to use a rag in the box to lay them on, however their little toenails can get caught & rip off. So now we use some nesting material. Cover the box to keep them out of the sun, wind, etc. Do the nest change quickly & then put them back, always abdomen down.

The parents would pick off any larva that got on them. Chicks can't do that until they are older. Very seldom will you find a blowfly larva on an older chick that has feathers. You may find bird lice & mites on older chicks & adults.

If you haven't done any supplement feeding I would suggest you read up on it & watch the videos. It can save a colony during bad weather, lack of food times, etc. This is something landlords didn't do years ago. In my area all Martins died during the 1972 St. Agnes flood. It rained for 22 days. Back then houses were stationary & landlords never touched them once erected. Had houses been on poles with winches & supplement feeding was known about, they may have been able to save many of them.

Toy in PA
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taxidermy lady
Posts: 2988
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:21 am
Location: IL/Ellis Grove
Martin Colony History: Started trying to attract purple martins in 2012! It's finally happened in 2017! 5 years!!! ASY male and SY female came May 1st, fledged 5 babies!

Pine needles are covering the ground here in southern Illinois. The drought is making everything go dormant! Gonna pick some up this weekend! :)
Sharon from southern Illinois
Dave Reynolds
Posts: 2444
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm
Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”..
2018 - 15 Pair, 36 Fledged
2019 - 26 Pair, 97 Fledged
2020 - 30 Pair, 137 Fledged
2021 - 30 Pair, 144 Fledged
2022 - 27 Pair, 125 Fledged
2023 - 31 Pair, 130 Fledged
2024 - 41 Pair, 198 Fledged
2025 - 44 Pair, 168 Fledged

Home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".
2019 - 1 Pair, 5 Fledged
2020 - 1 Pair, 4 Fledged
2021 - 8 Pair, 36 Fledged
2022 - 13 Pair, 46 Fledged
2023 - 16 Pair, 84 Fledged
2024 - 22 Pair, 104 Fledged
2025 - 28 Pair, 83 Fledged

Yes your are right... My road is covered with pine needles ... Time to pick some up...

Dave
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Little Hocking, Ohio
Dan G
Posts: 446
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:52 pm
Location: PA/Bellefonte
Martin Colony History: Several colonies with in 6 mile radius.
Have had visitor every year 2014-24.
Two large trees removed in fall 2024 and moved T-14 to a more open location.
2025- 1 SY pair. Fledged 2.
2026- no pairs. One daily SYM here daily. Named him Riggs!

A nearby neighbor was telling me that the pine tree out back was dying because of all the needles falling. Thanks to this forum, I was able to educate him as well as myself
Bellefonte PA
2014, 1st year-a few lookers, no nests
2015-23. Visitors each year. But no pairs.
2024- most active year. 2-4 SY male’s hang out most days.
2025, 1 SY pair. 2 eggs, 2 fledged!! Other martins visited daily.
Still eliminating starlings and sparrows.
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