Purple Martins outside of Range--FYI
I live in Clarkston, WA, on the Snake River, approximately 300' above sea level and Zone 6 growing season... I've had Martins nesting in my eaves and trees for over 12 years. No one in this Valley puts up shelters for them, so they're doing it the wild way. They are quite loquacious and fun to watch and hear. Just thought you might be interested...
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Martinfarmer
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2016 homemade Martin condo (40 nesting boxes) several visitors no takers
2017 changed crescent openings to Troyer Conley 2 openings and installed 4 super gourds with Conley2 adapters and 12 vertical Troyers.
Several nests and eggs. Hopefully will exceed one hundred eggs this year.
6-21-17 nest inspection 68 chicks and 26 eggs
6-30-17 inspection 90 chicks and a new nest with 4 eggs.
8-30-17 successfully fledged over 85 martins.
Its beautiful out there. I have traveled the area of the Columbia river where all the dams are located. We came up on several people who were Kite boarding on the Columbia, some of them could leave the water and go over sixty feet high before coming back down. It was amazing to watch.
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John Miller
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Would love to see photos or a short video.
These would be the western species, which looks the same but is genetically distinct, I think, and very slightly larger. I think their vocalization also is very slightly lower pitch.
John Miller
found this in the literature here and copying and pasting:
Latin (Scientific) Names: The Latin name of the Purple Martin is Progne subis. The Latin name of the martin's eastern subspecies is Progne subis subis, the desert subspecies, Progne subis hesperia, and the western mountainous race Progne subis arboricola. The nominate subis breeds throughout much of southern Canada, south through the eastern United States, west to Montana and central Texas, central parts of the Plains states, western Oklahoma, southern Florida, and the highlands of central Mexico. The race Hesperia replaces subis in Baja California, the lowlands of southern Arizona, western coastal Sonora and Tiburon Island. The race arboricola breeds in the western mountainous parts of North America.
These would be the western species, which looks the same but is genetically distinct, I think, and very slightly larger. I think their vocalization also is very slightly lower pitch.
John Miller
found this in the literature here and copying and pasting:
Latin (Scientific) Names: The Latin name of the Purple Martin is Progne subis. The Latin name of the martin's eastern subspecies is Progne subis subis, the desert subspecies, Progne subis hesperia, and the western mountainous race Progne subis arboricola. The nominate subis breeds throughout much of southern Canada, south through the eastern United States, west to Montana and central Texas, central parts of the Plains states, western Oklahoma, southern Florida, and the highlands of central Mexico. The race Hesperia replaces subis in Baja California, the lowlands of southern Arizona, western coastal Sonora and Tiburon Island. The race arboricola breeds in the western mountainous parts of North America.
To Martinfarmer: Yes, it is beautiful here, but I'm a long way from the Columbia... I'm on the WA/ID border and live about a block away from the Snake River. I imagine the birds followed the Columbia up to the confluence with the Snake and just kept going. Above our valley, it's much colder so they just dropped down and stayed. Don't see any kite flyers/surfers (?) here, but the Snake isn't as placid as the Columbia can be at times. Besides, we have a confluence with the Clearwater River and I think that can be turbulent.
To John Miller: Thank you for your information. I'm new at this, so my knowledge is scant. The circumstances of the birds' nesting are well hidden in the tree in front of my house, so catching them on camera/video isn't possible. They actually nested in my eaves for about seven years. When I had my roof replaced, they took out a nest approx. 3' x 2' x 10" deep. I had to plug up the hole, and they moved to the birch in front about 25' off the ground. It's been fun observing them. Their vocabulary is huge. I sit on my porch and talk to them. They seem to pause and answer me back--probably my imagination...
To John Miller: Thank you for your information. I'm new at this, so my knowledge is scant. The circumstances of the birds' nesting are well hidden in the tree in front of my house, so catching them on camera/video isn't possible. They actually nested in my eaves for about seven years. When I had my roof replaced, they took out a nest approx. 3' x 2' x 10" deep. I had to plug up the hole, and they moved to the birch in front about 25' off the ground. It's been fun observing them. Their vocabulary is huge. I sit on my porch and talk to them. They seem to pause and answer me back--probably my imagination...
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stan kostka
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Hi Ren,
My name is Stan Kostka and I've been studying martins in Washington State for a long time. All currently known Washington martins nest in counties west of the Cascades. I am aware of only twenty reports/records of martins in Eastern Washington counties (excluding Klickitat), 18 were only one time sightings and only two unconfirmed reports of nesting, from 1944 to the present. I readily admit it is reasonable to assume my dataset is incomplete, but to the best of my knowledge, there has never been a report of a martin in Asotin or Garfield Counties. Please do whatever it takes to get some photos of these birds. Would you share your postal address (offline) so someone could stop by for a look ?
Stan Kostka
Arlington WA
My name is Stan Kostka and I've been studying martins in Washington State for a long time. All currently known Washington martins nest in counties west of the Cascades. I am aware of only twenty reports/records of martins in Eastern Washington counties (excluding Klickitat), 18 were only one time sightings and only two unconfirmed reports of nesting, from 1944 to the present. I readily admit it is reasonable to assume my dataset is incomplete, but to the best of my knowledge, there has never been a report of a martin in Asotin or Garfield Counties. Please do whatever it takes to get some photos of these birds. Would you share your postal address (offline) so someone could stop by for a look ?
Stan Kostka
Arlington WA
To Stan Kostka: Trying to get pictures or audio of them is problematic... The birch tree is dense and I think the ones that frequent the tree are fledglings and therefore blend into the background very well. I've only seen an adult once on the ground with the sun on it so that I could see the purple tint (in 12 years!). I've gotten much more knowledgeable about their vocalizations as the only way I can tell that they're in the tree... Were you to be on site, you'd have to set up cameras, etc., and equipment to record over a period of time. I don't have that expertise, nor the money...
As I mentioned above, we are in Zone 6 weather/temp, so it's quite a bit warmer than the surrounding area above us. I'm sure the birds migrated down the Columbia->Snake which would've carried them along warm air currents.
If you wish to come to the LC Valley (Lewiston/Clarkston), you can contact me at [email protected], and we can go from there.
As I mentioned above, we are in Zone 6 weather/temp, so it's quite a bit warmer than the surrounding area above us. I'm sure the birds migrated down the Columbia->Snake which would've carried them along warm air currents.
If you wish to come to the LC Valley (Lewiston/Clarkston), you can contact me at [email protected], and we can go from there.
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handyman315
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- Martin Colony History: Colony established May 20, 2017 after three unsuccessful years. Persistent and aggressive Tree Swallows plagued the site, but beyond learning - and practicing - to control them, was the return in 2017 of a 2016-SY-M previously unable to find a mate. As a handsome ASY-M, he brought along two females and a swagger that soon put the Tree Swallow issue to rest. As the anchor pair, he and his mate hatched all six of their eggs into fat and healthy babies into what settled in to be a three-pair, flourishing new colony with up to 11 birds total, including 3 SY-M trouble makers.
It's not your imagination. Our Eastern species loves humans and can become so quiet and bored . . . until I go outside, or the daughter next door walks over . . . "Oh hey! Look! Human! Where you been? Really? Did you see that last landing? I really stuck it man!"Ren wrote: . . . Their vocabulary is huge. I sit on my porch and talk to them. They seem to pause and answer me back--probably my imagination...
2023-42 Nests, 197 Eggs/Babies
2022-48 Nests Fledged 203
2021-43 Nests Fledged 185
2020-31 Nests Fledged 133, three early deaths due to cold & rain
2019-19 Nests Fledged 84
2018-11 Nests Fledged 48, ASY-M Arrived April 6, Despite Snow & Cold, Joined Soon by Mate & Two Adult Pairs
2017-3 Nests Fledged 13, FIRST-YEAR LANDLORD! Resident SY-M from 2016 Returned (as ASY-M) on May 20. At Least 11 Adult Residents
2016 Late-Arriving SYs, Resident Lone SY-M
2015-14 Many Visits
2022-48 Nests Fledged 203
2021-43 Nests Fledged 185
2020-31 Nests Fledged 133, three early deaths due to cold & rain
2019-19 Nests Fledged 84
2018-11 Nests Fledged 48, ASY-M Arrived April 6, Despite Snow & Cold, Joined Soon by Mate & Two Adult Pairs
2017-3 Nests Fledged 13, FIRST-YEAR LANDLORD! Resident SY-M from 2016 Returned (as ASY-M) on May 20. At Least 11 Adult Residents
2016 Late-Arriving SYs, Resident Lone SY-M
2015-14 Many Visits
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scottfreidhof
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Hey Ren - as far as obtaining a photo, do your martins have some open perch locations around your yard where they are visible away from the nest cavity? That might be the quick and easy way versus camping out at the tree.
To handyman: That's exactly the impression I get! .. that they're waiting for me to pay attention to them... Nice to know others have similar experiences. Am watching now for a second brood to show. Momma showed up last week of May, and I think I heard a few peeps yesterday.. My usual pattern starts end April/early May--fledglings are gone by fourth week of May. The female who showed up 5/30 surprised me. Our summers are LOOONG, so there is time to raise a later brood. Thanks for the chuckle!
To scottfreidhof: There is no open perch anywhere. I have two trees in my front yard--a redbud and a 30' weeping birch. Both trees are very dense. I peek through holes in the leaves to see the entrance to their doorway, but even that is obliterated with the slightest breeze. Sorry to disappoint, but short of installing a motion camera close to their hole (and it's 25' above the ground), I doubt I'll get a better look. See above msg for comments on second brood which should be fledging in a couple/three weeks. There are myriad other species around and not a few hunters, i.e. hawks, crows and ospreys. The martins stick pretty close to the foliage... I've actually seen hawks dive bomb my fence where an unsuspecting bird was perched (he got away..). Anyway, I will try to keep my phone handy to see if I can get some pictures, but am not holding my breath...
That's exactly the impression I get! .. that they're waiting for me to pay attention to them... Nice to know others have similar experiences. Am watching now for a second brood to show. Momma showed up last week of May, and I think I heard a few peeps yesterday.. My usual pattern starts end April/early May--fledglings are gone by fourth week of May. The female who showed up 5/30 surprised me. Our summers are LOOONG, so there is time to raise a later brood. Thanks for the chuckle!To scottfreidhof: There is no open perch anywhere. I have two trees in my front yard--a redbud and a 30' weeping birch. Both trees are very dense. I peek through holes in the leaves to see the entrance to their doorway, but even that is obliterated with the slightest breeze. Sorry to disappoint, but short of installing a motion camera close to their hole (and it's 25' above the ground), I doubt I'll get a better look. See above msg for comments on second brood which should be fledging in a couple/three weeks. There are myriad other species around and not a few hunters, i.e. hawks, crows and ospreys. The martins stick pretty close to the foliage... I've actually seen hawks dive bomb my fence where an unsuspecting bird was perched (he got away..). Anyway, I will try to keep my phone handy to see if I can get some pictures, but am not holding my breath...
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John Miller
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Hello
I did not realize that martins would be rare but possible in eastern Oregon.
Take a look at the photos of martins in this blog (link below) about some research on the species in Colorado. There's also some photos of violet-green swallows..which are smaller.
Do the photos of the martins look like what you got?
Probably wishing you had never posted here - ha -- but if you got martins, apparently the location would be helpful to science to confirm.
Thanks,
John M
https://mulepark.wordpress.com/photos/
P.S. if you can't get a close photo...getting some of the vocalization would confirm martins too.
I did not realize that martins would be rare but possible in eastern Oregon.
Take a look at the photos of martins in this blog (link below) about some research on the species in Colorado. There's also some photos of violet-green swallows..which are smaller.
Do the photos of the martins look like what you got?
Probably wishing you had never posted here - ha -- but if you got martins, apparently the location would be helpful to science to confirm.
Thanks,
John M
https://mulepark.wordpress.com/photos/
P.S. if you can't get a close photo...getting some of the vocalization would confirm martins too.
To: John Miller: I'm not in Oregon, but eastern Washington on the Snake River. Oh, I'm pretty sure they're Martins.. they've been roosting here for at least the last 12 years that I've been noticing, maybe longer. I'm sure they follow the Columbia to the Snake on the warm air currents, landing here where it's a long summer and temperate climate.
All I have is my phone camera, no professional equipment.. But I get pretty good sound if not zooming capacity. I'll keep trying... thanks for your comments and encouragement!
All I have is my phone camera, no professional equipment.. But I get pretty good sound if not zooming capacity. I'll keep trying... thanks for your comments and encouragement!
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stan kostka
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Hi Ren,
You really caught my attention at first saying they nested in the eaves of your house, something which is well documented in the literature, and something I have seen first hand on multiple occasions, especially in areas where there are breeding martins, and no nestboxes or gourds.
But, based on the other info you have given, they cannot be Purple Martins.
The earliest returning martins generally come into this region around mid April, and they generally don't get real serious about nesting for at least another month, or even six weeks, say late May or June. Ive inspected lots of nests over the years and the earliest Ive ever seen eggs here has been first week of June, then there's 15 to 16 days incubation, and another 26 to 32 days to fledge, so an extremely early martin nest in the Pacific Northwest will fledge young in late July. after which parents tend to the young for another week or so. I realize the climate is different on the East side, but there is just no way martins would be fledging young late May, or probably any other species of swallow.
Martins nest in open areas with lots of flyway space around their nest cavities. They are highly visible and routinely perch, on tree tops, utility wires, etc. The only trees I have ever heard of them nesting in are snags in open areas, or semi solitary oaks in open grasslands. And, in a palm tree, again, in a very open area. If they are hidden in the dense foliage of a tree, they are not martins. (unless it's an end of summer post breeding migratory roost, at night).
The season here near the northern extent of their western range is too short for martins to attempt second broods.
I'd be interested to know what kind of birds they are if you ever figure it out .
Stan
You really caught my attention at first saying they nested in the eaves of your house, something which is well documented in the literature, and something I have seen first hand on multiple occasions, especially in areas where there are breeding martins, and no nestboxes or gourds.
But, based on the other info you have given, they cannot be Purple Martins.
The earliest returning martins generally come into this region around mid April, and they generally don't get real serious about nesting for at least another month, or even six weeks, say late May or June. Ive inspected lots of nests over the years and the earliest Ive ever seen eggs here has been first week of June, then there's 15 to 16 days incubation, and another 26 to 32 days to fledge, so an extremely early martin nest in the Pacific Northwest will fledge young in late July. after which parents tend to the young for another week or so. I realize the climate is different on the East side, but there is just no way martins would be fledging young late May, or probably any other species of swallow.
Martins nest in open areas with lots of flyway space around their nest cavities. They are highly visible and routinely perch, on tree tops, utility wires, etc. The only trees I have ever heard of them nesting in are snags in open areas, or semi solitary oaks in open grasslands. And, in a palm tree, again, in a very open area. If they are hidden in the dense foliage of a tree, they are not martins. (unless it's an end of summer post breeding migratory roost, at night).
The season here near the northern extent of their western range is too short for martins to attempt second broods.
I'd be interested to know what kind of birds they are if you ever figure it out .
Stan
To Stan: Thanks for getting back to me.. Please read my other posts.
The Lewis/Clark Valley is in Zone 6 and about 300' above sea level which lends to a very temperate climate. Our spring starts in March and the birds show up about April. They're the first of the migrating birds to show. By end April, they're nesting and fledge by end of May. This year, the second brood I mentioned above is from different birds than the ones in April/May. I've tried to get pictures to no avail. I will have to wait until next year when it's just the Martins roosting and they pretty much have the area to themselves. I do believe it's possible that they've followed the Columbia up to the Snake, ending here in the valley where summers run into September.
Anyway, they've been roosting here for at least 12 years and possibly longer. I've only seen one on the ground with the sun shining on him and he was purple. Their vocalizations are very unique, ranging from chortles to growls/chuckles to beautiful songs; which further reinforces my conviction that they are Martins. However, right now there is an abundance of other songbirds competing. When I've tried to record the sounds, the others get mixed in with it destroying the clarity.
Till May, next year...
The Lewis/Clark Valley is in Zone 6 and about 300' above sea level which lends to a very temperate climate. Our spring starts in March and the birds show up about April. They're the first of the migrating birds to show. By end April, they're nesting and fledge by end of May. This year, the second brood I mentioned above is from different birds than the ones in April/May. I've tried to get pictures to no avail. I will have to wait until next year when it's just the Martins roosting and they pretty much have the area to themselves. I do believe it's possible that they've followed the Columbia up to the Snake, ending here in the valley where summers run into September.
Anyway, they've been roosting here for at least 12 years and possibly longer. I've only seen one on the ground with the sun shining on him and he was purple. Their vocalizations are very unique, ranging from chortles to growls/chuckles to beautiful songs; which further reinforces my conviction that they are Martins. However, right now there is an abundance of other songbirds competing. When I've tried to record the sounds, the others get mixed in with it destroying the clarity.
Till May, next year...
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stan kostka
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Hi Ren,
Well it looks like you are sticking to your story, and I'm sticking to mine. The birds you describe fledging young and leaving by the end of May cannot be Purple Martins.
In the Central Valley of California, where summer comes earlier than it does anywhere in the Northwest, martins are still feeding young in the nests through June and into July.
Here in Washington, Subadult birds are still only arriving at nestsites on the Lower Columbia River, and will continue to arrive through June.
So, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
I really do think it's possible for martins to breed somewhere in Eastern Washington, and the confluence of two rivers would be an ideal spot, in my opinion. It's just that the timing you describe seems all wrong to me.
Stan
Well it looks like you are sticking to your story, and I'm sticking to mine. The birds you describe fledging young and leaving by the end of May cannot be Purple Martins.
In the Central Valley of California, where summer comes earlier than it does anywhere in the Northwest, martins are still feeding young in the nests through June and into July.
Here in Washington, Subadult birds are still only arriving at nestsites on the Lower Columbia River, and will continue to arrive through June.
So, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
I really do think it's possible for martins to breed somewhere in Eastern Washington, and the confluence of two rivers would be an ideal spot, in my opinion. It's just that the timing you describe seems all wrong to me.
Stan
To Stan: Thanks for replying. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree...
I took a couple of videos two days ago and managed to catch the female entering the hole in the tree and briefly sitting on a branch. They're in MP4 format and this correspondence system won't take videos. If you like, I'd be happy to send them to you via email (if my Centurylink system will allow...). There are also some vocalizations on the videos. I'm filming with my smart phone and could only enlarge to a certain point and the focus seems to fade in and out. If you had the equipment to stop the action and capture single pictures, you may be able to identify her. If she's not a Martin, I would be most curious to know what breed she is. However, when I saw the one on the ground with the sun on its back, it was definitely purple. I'm not a student of ornithology, but was raised in New York State and knew martins were common in the East, and was surprised to see one here. Are there purple imposters?
As an aside, this morning 3-4 mature birds landed in the tree (no vocalizing). I suspect the brood in progress now is coming to completion--maybe they were scouting out possible nesting areas? From what I've read, the most mature birds breed early and successive ages breed in "age order" throughout July. Could I have a third brood?
Please let me know if you're interested in the videos and return with your email address..
I took a couple of videos two days ago and managed to catch the female entering the hole in the tree and briefly sitting on a branch. They're in MP4 format and this correspondence system won't take videos. If you like, I'd be happy to send them to you via email (if my Centurylink system will allow...). There are also some vocalizations on the videos. I'm filming with my smart phone and could only enlarge to a certain point and the focus seems to fade in and out. If you had the equipment to stop the action and capture single pictures, you may be able to identify her. If she's not a Martin, I would be most curious to know what breed she is. However, when I saw the one on the ground with the sun on its back, it was definitely purple. I'm not a student of ornithology, but was raised in New York State and knew martins were common in the East, and was surprised to see one here. Are there purple imposters?
As an aside, this morning 3-4 mature birds landed in the tree (no vocalizing). I suspect the brood in progress now is coming to completion--maybe they were scouting out possible nesting areas? From what I've read, the most mature birds breed early and successive ages breed in "age order" throughout July. Could I have a third brood?
Please let me know if you're interested in the videos and return with your email address..
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stan kostka
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My window on the virtual world is an antique laptop with outdated software, and an already overloaded hard drive. Also, our ISP account has a data limit.
Could post the videos to YouTube ?
Could post the videos to YouTube ?
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stan kostka
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I do believe it's possible, and here's one reason why finding martins in Eastern Washington, breeding or not, would be a big deal.
hope this link works.
http://ebird.org/ebird/map/purmar?neg=t ... =12&yr=cur
Stan
hope this link works.
http://ebird.org/ebird/map/purmar?neg=t ... =12&yr=cur
Stan
Well, Stan, a third brood has begun...
The last of the 2nd brood left yesterday after much coaxing from siblings (?) and/or mama.. This morning a mated pair came in, the female jumped into the hole and proceeded to make grunting sounds... The male was singing and flying around the tree chasing away all the other birds. I was looking at my phone and heard a "thump", looked up and a bird flew away squawking like crazy. Am pretty sure it was a robin (can't imagine a smaller bird would resonate with such a sound). The papa stayed around the tree for some time. I went shopping and now he's gone, but mama's head is just peeking out of the hole. Doubt she laid more than three eggs... I don't think this hole allows for a large brood.
I've been in touch with a birder who also insists that these birds can't be martins. He's the brother of a friend of mine. I'm going to get together with him to show him my videos and see what he thinks. I think I'm also going to contact the Corps of Engineers who maintain our park system along the dikes to see if they've seen martins. They're in the process of pruning trees and taking out the dead ones. Maybe I can talk them into leaving some dead ones and drilling holes in them to see if the martins will roost along the dikes. This would be so neat!
Like you, my computer system is limited, and so is my email carrier. If nothing else, I may at least be able to identify these birds. By the way, my son tells me he used to watch the birds nesting in my eaves, coming and going when he was in high school. He graduated in 1992, so that would make it more than 20 years these birds have been nesting around my home. That's certainly enough time to create genetic memory, I would think.
'Til next time...
The last of the 2nd brood left yesterday after much coaxing from siblings (?) and/or mama.. This morning a mated pair came in, the female jumped into the hole and proceeded to make grunting sounds... The male was singing and flying around the tree chasing away all the other birds. I was looking at my phone and heard a "thump", looked up and a bird flew away squawking like crazy. Am pretty sure it was a robin (can't imagine a smaller bird would resonate with such a sound). The papa stayed around the tree for some time. I went shopping and now he's gone, but mama's head is just peeking out of the hole. Doubt she laid more than three eggs... I don't think this hole allows for a large brood.
I've been in touch with a birder who also insists that these birds can't be martins. He's the brother of a friend of mine. I'm going to get together with him to show him my videos and see what he thinks. I think I'm also going to contact the Corps of Engineers who maintain our park system along the dikes to see if they've seen martins. They're in the process of pruning trees and taking out the dead ones. Maybe I can talk them into leaving some dead ones and drilling holes in them to see if the martins will roost along the dikes. This would be so neat!
Like you, my computer system is limited, and so is my email carrier. If nothing else, I may at least be able to identify these birds. By the way, my son tells me he used to watch the birds nesting in my eaves, coming and going when he was in high school. He graduated in 1992, so that would make it more than 20 years these birds have been nesting around my home. That's certainly enough time to create genetic memory, I would think.
'Til next time...
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Dave Duit
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I have all the martins of the world, or I should say most of them with pics on my http://www.iamartin.org website. On the forum page two titled
" Images of all the worlds martins with scientific names"
You don't have to be a member to see the pics, but if you want to register as a member while you are visiting, that is fine.
" Images of all the worlds martins with scientific names"
You don't have to be a member to see the pics, but if you want to register as a member while you are visiting, that is fine.
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John Miller
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Ren
You can set up an account on photobucket and post photos or video there and the links here.
Maybe these are tree swallows..but need audio or photo. If photo bucket or similar doesn't work, I hope you can mail something to Stan.
Thanks, John Miller
You can set up an account on photobucket and post photos or video there and the links here.
Maybe these are tree swallows..but need audio or photo. If photo bucket or similar doesn't work, I hope you can mail something to Stan.
Thanks, John Miller