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PM Pataskala
Posts: 36
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:37 pm
Location: Ohio/Pataskala

I have been trying to get martins for 5 years..... I am considering putting up another 6-8 gourds. I want to attach the pole to the dock at my pond (see pics). Is this a good idea or a bad one ? I want to put the pole at the RED X in the last picture.

The dock is used only for feeding the fish in the late afternoon.

Thanks in advance for your help........
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Dick Robinson
2016 - Dagnabbit - Still a lonely wannabe landlord. :-(
2015 - Still no martins
2014 - No luck yet... Not seeing many martins in the area.
2013 - First year trying. I've done everything to attract PM's except giving them free airfare to get here. Maybe I'll do that too !!!

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taxidermy lady
Posts: 2988
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:21 am
Location: IL/Ellis Grove
Martin Colony History: Started trying to attract purple martins in 2012! It's finally happened in 2017! 5 years!!! ASY male and SY female came May 1st, fledged 5 babies!

I've done everything too! I'd move it out there! Looks like a lot of brush and trees! They just don't like that stuff!
They may feel safer over the water! Worth a try!
I've moved mine but just a few feet and still nothing!
Goodluck! :)
Sharon from southern Illinois
Archer
Posts: 786
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:09 pm
Location: Manitoba/Altona
Martin Colony History: six pair in 2014, have grown to 52 pairs in 2017.

I agree with the Lady, move it out a far as you can. On your existing gourds, it appears they are all facing your house. I can't tell if you have an open flyway in that direction but you might consider turning them so that they have an open fly way over the water. I know it wouldn't be the best for your viewing, but you need birds before viewing can happen. :wink: A compromise might be turning half the gourds toward the water, good luck.
2011- first year trying, a few visitors.
2012-One ASY pair, raised two young, lots of subby visitors. So thankfull.
2013-daily subby visits.
2014-Six SY pairs
2015-18 pair, 83 fledglings
2016-36 pair, 147 fledglings
2017-52 pairs, 192 fledglings.
2018-60 pair, 246 fledglings.
2019-59 pair, 238 fledglings.
2020-62 pair.
2021-65 pair.
2022-63 pair.
2023-60 pair
2024-62 pair
Ed Svetich-WI
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:05 pm
Location: Brooks, Wi (McGinnis Lake)
Martin Colony History: 24 Super and Excluder Gourds on two gourd racks, all SREH. Full occupancy. My philosophy is to maximize fledge % with existing cavities rather than adding gourds to grow colony, thus providing opportunities for new colony expansion. Fledge over 100 nestlings yearly from 24 gourds. Band nestlings in cooperation with state university. 2019 Adendum: Reduced colony size to 12 gourds to focus on more intensive management regimen.

My gourd racks are on the lake shore and the gourds facing the lake are the first occupied every year. I agree that having some facing the water may be more attractive to martins. As martins leave the gourds, they drop and fly low over the water. You don't mention what attraction devices you are using. My first suggestion would be either Dawn Song or Daytime Chatter recordings. I rarely saw martins in the years before I finally attracted them. The first time that I played Dawn Song, I had martins within 30 minutes. Advertise your site all day if necessary. Moving the pole to the end of the dock will not hurt and it may help by giving martins more airspace on the side facing the house.


Another suggestion is to place a predator guard on your post. Raccoons are attracted to water and they will explore your gourds. I frequently see them around my gourd poles. The guards have always prevented them from climbing the poles. It would be a shame to get martins and lose them to either raccoons or snakes.
Ed Svetich-WI
Posts: 815
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:05 pm
Location: Brooks, Wi (McGinnis Lake)
Martin Colony History: 24 Super and Excluder Gourds on two gourd racks, all SREH. Full occupancy. My philosophy is to maximize fledge % with existing cavities rather than adding gourds to grow colony, thus providing opportunities for new colony expansion. Fledge over 100 nestlings yearly from 24 gourds. Band nestlings in cooperation with state university. 2019 Adendum: Reduced colony size to 12 gourds to focus on more intensive management regimen.

Duplicate post, sorry.
PM Pataskala
Posts: 36
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:37 pm
Location: Ohio/Pataskala

Thanks for the advice. I do have a predator guard. I will install if/when I get martins. The birds have 3 good open airways. The tall trees seen in the pics are 300+ feet away. I'm not moving my existing setup. I am considering adding another pole & BO11P with tunnels & Cooling Caps.

I play the DawnSong from 5:00 AM until noon. I'll change it to all day after there is activity in our area, none yet!

I turned 2 gourds facing the pond which is almost due West and there are tall pines on that side of the pond.

Thanks again for the help. This is MY year !!!! If I could buy martins I would pay up to $ 500.00 each for up to a dozen. (live birds only!)
Dick Robinson
2016 - Dagnabbit - Still a lonely wannabe landlord. :-(
2015 - Still no martins
2014 - No luck yet... Not seeing many martins in the area.
2013 - First year trying. I've done everything to attract PM's except giving them free airfare to get here. Maybe I'll do that too !!!

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Glynn B - LA
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Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:59 pm
Location: Louisiana West Monroe

I would place the new gourds in between the small building and the water, leaving enough distance from the water to perform nest checks. I would for sure rip those two bushes up.

If you place the new rack on the dock, how would you be able to perform nest checks?


Glynn
2019 26 pair 116 fledged
2018 20 pair 76 fledged
2017 19 pair 82 fledged
2016 13 pair 48 fledged
2015 3 pair 13 fledged
2014 1 pair 4 fledged
2013 2 pair 6 fledged
2012 0 pair
2011 0 pair

I don’t have the perfect site. One open flyway with trees within 80 ft. I do have a small pond they utilize during the heat of Summer. (2017) HEAVY HAWK PREDATION
PM Pataskala
Posts: 36
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:37 pm
Location: Ohio/Pataskala

If I put a new rack on the dock I will invent a method so I can rotate the whole rack. I know I don't have the best setup to attract Martins but I still want to try. :roll:
Dick Robinson
2016 - Dagnabbit - Still a lonely wannabe landlord. :-(
2015 - Still no martins
2014 - No luck yet... Not seeing many martins in the area.
2013 - First year trying. I've done everything to attract PM's except giving them free airfare to get here. Maybe I'll do that too !!!

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