https://youtu.be/HsgpXfAzJyQ
Click the link above to see Jerral Johnson's over 2100 gourd nest colony in Rainsville Alabama.
Video by Larry Melcher
Largest Purple Martin colony? Awesome video
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LarryMelcher/KY
- Posts: 675
- Joined: Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:08 pm
- Location: Kentucky/Shepherdsville
I manage 2 public sites, and one at home, for a total of 172 cavities. Board Member / Non Profit PMCA.
Find videos that I edit for the PMCA Youtube channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/PurpleMartinPMCA
Find videos that I edit for the PMCA Youtube channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/PurpleMartinPMCA
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Elijah Clark
- Posts: 52
- Joined: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:52 pm
- Location: Bend, TX
- Martin Colony History: Put up the colony in 2015 and had a mean and nasty fight with the sparrows, yet one pair stayed and five fledged.
Does anyone know what gourds he uses, they look quite roomy. 
"A good sparrow is a dead sparrow"
2015- 1 pair
2016- 12 pair
2017- 0 pair (predators). Back to square one.
2015- 1 pair
2016- 12 pair
2017- 0 pair (predators). Back to square one.
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taxidermy lady
- Posts: 2988
- Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:21 am
- Location: IL/Ellis Grove
- Martin Colony History: Started trying to attract purple martins in 2012! It's finally happened in 2017! 5 years!!! ASY male and SY female came May 1st, fledged 5 babies!
They are nature line gourds. Not sure about quality but his martins must like them!!!
Sharon from southern Illinois
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Ed Svetich-WI
- Posts: 815
- Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:05 pm
- Location: Brooks, Wi (McGinnis Lake)
- Martin Colony History: 24 Super and Excluder Gourds on two gourd racks, all SREH. Full occupancy. My philosophy is to maximize fledge % with existing cavities rather than adding gourds to grow colony, thus providing opportunities for new colony expansion. Fledge over 100 nestlings yearly from 24 gourds. Band nestlings in cooperation with state university. 2019 Adendum: Reduced colony size to 12 gourds to focus on more intensive management regimen.
Amazing setup. How big is the crew for nest checks, nest replacements and record keeping?
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KathyF
- Posts: 3522
- Joined: Thu May 24, 2007 1:57 pm
- Location: Missouri/Licking
- Martin Colony History: Colony started - 2007 with one pair
As of 2018 - 84 cavities offered, max # of pairs hosted - 82.
That is a heckuva colony!
I want to know if he has owl problems and does he even DO nest checks.
I want to know if he has owl problems and does he even DO nest checks.
"Sometimes", said Pooh, "the smallest things take up the most room in your heart."
2023 - 82 pair
2022 - 80 pair
2021 - 75 pair
2020 - 78 pair
2019 - 80 pair
http://kathyfreeze.blogspot.com
2023 - 82 pair
2022 - 80 pair
2021 - 75 pair
2020 - 78 pair
2019 - 80 pair
http://kathyfreeze.blogspot.com
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Ed Svetich-WI
- Posts: 815
- Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:05 pm
- Location: Brooks, Wi (McGinnis Lake)
- Martin Colony History: 24 Super and Excluder Gourds on two gourd racks, all SREH. Full occupancy. My philosophy is to maximize fledge % with existing cavities rather than adding gourds to grow colony, thus providing opportunities for new colony expansion. Fledge over 100 nestlings yearly from 24 gourds. Band nestlings in cooperation with state university. 2019 Adendum: Reduced colony size to 12 gourds to focus on more intensive management regimen.
2100 gourds. Let's imagine 60% occupancy with 4 eggs per gourd. That equals 5440 eggs.
Questions:
1.Who determines which gourds contain eggs?
2.% hatched?
3. % fledged?
4. How are nest checks accomplshed?
5.How are vermin handled? Nest replacements? Insecticides or miticides?
6.Predator control methods in use?
I understand that I only have 24 occupied gourds but I pride myself with fledging 98% of eggs layed each year. Although it is impressive to have any colony with 2100 gourds, I think that the most important criteria is how many young successfully fledged. Size does not matter if the most important metric is missing. How many nestlings fledged from this colony?
2100 gourds÷25 gourd colonies = 84 colonies, which may be somewhat more likely to have hands on management.
I think that encouraging massive colonies is disingenuous. Is this the model that Mr. Melcher is encouraging? Are numbers of gourds the new criteria for the Project Martinwatch forms?
How about promoting well managed colonies of any size that are able to generate large numbers of fledglings?
Ed
Questions:
1.Who determines which gourds contain eggs?
2.% hatched?
3. % fledged?
4. How are nest checks accomplshed?
5.How are vermin handled? Nest replacements? Insecticides or miticides?
6.Predator control methods in use?
I understand that I only have 24 occupied gourds but I pride myself with fledging 98% of eggs layed each year. Although it is impressive to have any colony with 2100 gourds, I think that the most important criteria is how many young successfully fledged. Size does not matter if the most important metric is missing. How many nestlings fledged from this colony?
2100 gourds÷25 gourd colonies = 84 colonies, which may be somewhat more likely to have hands on management.
I think that encouraging massive colonies is disingenuous. Is this the model that Mr. Melcher is encouraging? Are numbers of gourds the new criteria for the Project Martinwatch forms?
How about promoting well managed colonies of any size that are able to generate large numbers of fledglings?
Ed
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John Evans
- Posts: 323
- Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:56 pm
- Location: Cocoa Beach Florida
Great video Larry.. Quick question. In one shot I noticed fan looking things bunched together on poles. Is that supposed to be a hawk deterrent?
Thanks
John
Thanks
John
PMCA Member
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Thais G
- Posts: 93
- Joined: Mon May 05, 2014 6:37 pm
- Location: CT/Darien
- Martin Colony History: Started at unsuitable location in 2008. Many lessons learned since. Two tentative locations: Rogers International School and the "Fish Church" (downtown.) One pair in 2015; no fledglings though. No pairs 2016.
While I find it quite incredible to watch and recognize the obvious passion that went into getting to this mega-sized colony, I also am against such setup(s) and hope they will not become the martin community example.
Even from a point of long term continuity of the colony... what will be of that colony once the main caretaker is gone? And when the property is passed on to others (either next generation or third party)? It is one thing for one or two hundred birds to be misplaced, it is quite another for over 2,000 pairs to lose their homes at once. Maybe there is a conservation trust or something in place, but I sincerely doubt it....
Another concern I would have would be viruses/diseases and how easily it would be to get a "disaster infestation"...
In my opinion it is unhealthy and not best practice, but I will not dispute that it is certainly an amazing setup and it seems very well loved/kept by the landlord.
(No offense meant to anyone in this comment - just a practical view/opinion on the subject.)
Sincerely,
Thais
Even from a point of long term continuity of the colony... what will be of that colony once the main caretaker is gone? And when the property is passed on to others (either next generation or third party)? It is one thing for one or two hundred birds to be misplaced, it is quite another for over 2,000 pairs to lose their homes at once. Maybe there is a conservation trust or something in place, but I sincerely doubt it....
Another concern I would have would be viruses/diseases and how easily it would be to get a "disaster infestation"...
In my opinion it is unhealthy and not best practice, but I will not dispute that it is certainly an amazing setup and it seems very well loved/kept by the landlord.
(No offense meant to anyone in this comment - just a practical view/opinion on the subject.)
Sincerely,
Thais
Thais Gherardi
Wannabe Landlord in Stamford, CT (2 tentative sites):
- Rogers International School (S&K barn since 2013; Alamo House installed 2016)
- "Fish Church"/downtown Stamford (Alamo House installed 2016)
Wannabe Landlord in Stamford, CT (2 tentative sites):
- Rogers International School (S&K barn since 2013; Alamo House installed 2016)
- "Fish Church"/downtown Stamford (Alamo House installed 2016)
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LarryMelcher/KY
- Posts: 675
- Joined: Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:08 pm
- Location: Kentucky/Shepherdsville
No, the PMCA does not promote this size of a colony for many of the reasons commented in this thread. Purple Martin's need people and this colony has attracted the attention of humans that Martin's desperately need. I applaud all the concerned landlords that worry "how could he possibly....."
But, this huge colony is real, and I thought viewers would be as curious as I just to see it. I promise you, I did not see ONE starling and the house sparrows I saw was caught in his V-trap.
But, this huge colony is real, and I thought viewers would be as curious as I just to see it. I promise you, I did not see ONE starling and the house sparrows I saw was caught in his V-trap.
I manage 2 public sites, and one at home, for a total of 172 cavities. Board Member / Non Profit PMCA.
Find videos that I edit for the PMCA Youtube channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/PurpleMartinPMCA
Find videos that I edit for the PMCA Youtube channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/PurpleMartinPMCA
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Thais G
- Posts: 93
- Joined: Mon May 05, 2014 6:37 pm
- Location: CT/Darien
- Martin Colony History: Started at unsuitable location in 2008. Many lessons learned since. Two tentative locations: Rogers International School and the "Fish Church" (downtown.) One pair in 2015; no fledglings though. No pairs 2016.
Hi Larry, i was not saying you should not post - please do!
I think people should be informed about it - plus, as I mentioned, it is still incredible to see!!
thanks,
Thais
I think people should be informed about it - plus, as I mentioned, it is still incredible to see!!
thanks,
Thais
Thais Gherardi
Wannabe Landlord in Stamford, CT (2 tentative sites):
- Rogers International School (S&K barn since 2013; Alamo House installed 2016)
- "Fish Church"/downtown Stamford (Alamo House installed 2016)
Wannabe Landlord in Stamford, CT (2 tentative sites):
- Rogers International School (S&K barn since 2013; Alamo House installed 2016)
- "Fish Church"/downtown Stamford (Alamo House installed 2016)
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tor
- Posts: 279
- Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:35 pm
- Location: Marlboro County, SC
- Martin Colony History: 2025 Capacity: 96
72 Hor / Vert Troyers on 3 X Super-24's.
24 Hor Troyers on Gemini-24.
2026: We'll see.
2025: 92 pair - Fledge: 405
2024: 72 pair - Fledge: 356
2023: 72 pair - Fledge: 342
2022: 72 pair - Fledge: 322
2021: 71 pair - Fledge: 325
2020: 72 pair - Fledge: 336
2019: 70 pair - Fledge: 320
2018: 60 pair - Fledge: 297
2017: 36 pair - Fledge: 189
2016: 16 pair - Fledge: 79
2015: 4 pair - Fledge: 21
One: I just don't see how one can manage something this huge. Two: You lose the personal touch that comes with being a Purple Martin landlord. So while a colony this size is impressive as far as size, I don't believe the (proper) management of such a colony is anywhere near possible.
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Mitch Booth
- Posts: 480
- Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:23 am
- Location: Akron, OH
- Martin Colony History: 2012 - 0
2013 - 1 pair, 4 eggs, 2 fledged
2014 - 0
2015 - 1 pair, 5 died during week of rain
2016 - 0
2017 - 1 pair, 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2018 - 4 pair, 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2019 - 7 pair
2020 - 17 pair
Larry can I ask the type of drone you are using as well as the camera? I've been thinking about buying one especially with the prices dropping. Does your drone use a Go-Pro camera? Any information you can provide would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Mitch
Thanks,
Mitch
2020 - 17 pair 77 eggs 69 fledged
2019 - 7 pair
2018 - 4 pair 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2017 - 1 pair 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2016 - 0 only visits
2015 - 1 pair 5 eggs, 5 hatched, 5 dead on days 6-7
2014 - 0 only visits
2013 - 1 pair 3 eggs, 2 hatched, 2 fledged
2012 - 0
2019 - 7 pair
2018 - 4 pair 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2017 - 1 pair 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2016 - 0 only visits
2015 - 1 pair 5 eggs, 5 hatched, 5 dead on days 6-7
2014 - 0 only visits
2013 - 1 pair 3 eggs, 2 hatched, 2 fledged
2012 - 0
