Its going to be a poor-production year this year.

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Scully
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See the graphical production of the prior success rate of our school colony as compared to what we predict based upon a mathematical model (derived from Excel)...

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Over the last twelve years we have found the best predictor around here being rainfall the previous October and December Doesn't make much sense I know but in a natural system a 50% correlation (which this model has) ain't bad.

With martins, mortality for the whole population running about 60% a year, to merely maintain the population each nesting pair has to fledge three young (two parent martins plus three fledglings makes five martins, three die, two survive to return the following year).

Every year has been different: In 2010 we had our best year ever, where few young died, and almost all the young were plump and healthy. 2011 was an unmigitated disaster. It seemed that a switch had been thrown during what was already a hard season such that most young died in the nest, including what had been seemingly healthy twenty-plus day-old nestlings, who's parents were suddenly unable to find food for them.

2012 turned out better than expected, actually more than four fledges on average per nesting attempt. This year we had hopes at least for a break-even year, with three fledges per nest.

Looks like its going to be less than that. Today's nest check revealed just 123 young among thirty-eight nests. In the impossible event (some are runts) that they all survived, we would average 3.2 fledges/nest for just these productive nests.

Realistically, by the time we average in two failed clutches and two missing broods, plus allowing for inevitable nestling losses, I would guesstimate about a 2.0 - 2.5 fledge/nest rate for our colony this year :???:

Mike Scully
Louise Chambers
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We're with you, Mike - just not enough rain to supply enough food, and the cold spell in April did not help things any. Our one nest that survived the April cold is fledging 4 young (today) from 5 hatched. Other nests with 6 eggs produced one nestling each. Most nests here are eggs, when it should be a big fledge party by late May. Recent rains have surely helped, at least some.
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Matt@atx
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Thanks Mr Scully,


I suspected as much. It will turn worse starting June but not as bad as 2011. Because I am expecting a dry hot summer, I have already made basic mental plans to gather babies down to 2 to 3 per clutch and make a drive to Dallas.
There is no telling if even leaving 2 will save some of them.
2008~(1st yr) 4 pairs, 11 to 12 fledged
2009~(2nd yr) 9 pairs, 41 fledged
2010~(3rd year) 11 pairs. 50 fledged
2011~(4th year) 20 pairs, 23 out of 23 gourds Martin occupied, 3 fledged, the rest died in the drought. (1 new Blue Bird, 3 BB fledged.)
2012~ 26 pairs, approx. 100-110 fledged
Louise Chambers
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Matt,

Rather than remove young and take them to a rehabber (they are already overloaded and overworked), why not try supplemental feeding? Martins feeding young are often the easiest to train to accept supplemental food, and would probably take scrambled eggs. It's much better for martins to be raised by martins, so they will get the food and training that they need after fledging.
Matt@atx
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Hi Louise,


The problem with this is that it is an off-site location from where I live and work. I can come down and see them maybe 3-4 times a week on average.
If the weather does not allow and things go into starvation mode, I cannot feed them like this to keep them alive and healthy. The last thing I want to do is take them from their parents but I cannot let them sit there and starve to death either.
My only other option is to find a competent rehabber in Austin which I do not know about presently. These are the guys who take every kind of baby http://www.austinwildliferescue.org/

and they say they have a PM Rehabber but they will not give me the name of the person so I question how effective that person is.
2008~(1st yr) 4 pairs, 11 to 12 fledged
2009~(2nd yr) 9 pairs, 41 fledged
2010~(3rd year) 11 pairs. 50 fledged
2011~(4th year) 20 pairs, 23 out of 23 gourds Martin occupied, 3 fledged, the rest died in the drought. (1 new Blue Bird, 3 BB fledged.)
2012~ 26 pairs, approx. 100-110 fledged
Matt@atx
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Location: Buda, TX, south of Austin

PM'ed you Mr Scully.
2008~(1st yr) 4 pairs, 11 to 12 fledged
2009~(2nd yr) 9 pairs, 41 fledged
2010~(3rd year) 11 pairs. 50 fledged
2011~(4th year) 20 pairs, 23 out of 23 gourds Martin occupied, 3 fledged, the rest died in the drought. (1 new Blue Bird, 3 BB fledged.)
2012~ 26 pairs, approx. 100-110 fledged
TX Rehabber
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Location: Texas/Rowlett

Matt,

If possible, it would be best for the babies and rehabilitators to leave them with their parents.

That being said, you’re welcome to bring any babies that need to be rehabbed to Rogers Wildlife in Dallas. Please understand that economic constraints and the cost of rehabbing, any bird taken in at the Center is no longer free, as in previous years. It takes one staff member alone to care for Purple Martins as they are very labor intensive and can consume up to 10,000 mealworms before they are fledged.

Therefore, Kathy Rogers, Director has placed the cost of ONE martin @ $50.00.
Penny Halstead
Rogers Wildlife Rehabilitation Center
972-225-4000

LANDLORD BY PROXY
State & Federal Sub-permitted Rehabilitator
2009 - Received 150 Nestlings/Fledglings for Rehab Released: 102
2011 - Received 173 Nestlings/Fledglings/Adults for Rehab Released: 133
KathyF
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Martin Colony History: Colony started - 2007 with one pair
As of 2018 - 84 cavities offered, max # of pairs hosted - 82.

Matt, I've tried to help some of my jumpers and I can attest to the difficulty of trying to feed a young nestling. Martin parents are so much better equipped to be able to feed a baby, than our rehabbers (no offense, Penny). I understand the desire to 'save them all', but isn't it illegal to intentionally remove nestlings from their parents?

I would leave them where they are and do as Louise suggests by providing extra food, if it gets to that point.

Or be prepared to make a rather large donation to Rogers Wildlife.
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TX Rehabber
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Kathy,

You are right on. ANY baby bird is better off with its parents and no offense is taken. Rehabilitators are there to help the birds that truly need our help.

In answer to your question…….Yes, it is illegal to intentionally remove nestlings from their parents regardless of the species. That’s why there are laws of which largely go ignored. Martin Landlords are given a lot of leeway in the fact it’s illegal just to do nest checks, remove eggs, replace nesting material and swap out babies. It is ALL considered disturbing the nest under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. It is also illegal to rehab your own birds.

Only a permitted rehabilitator, game warden or USFW can handle any orphaned, injured, sick baby birds or adults and Bird Banders have special permits under the USFW to do banding. The exception is the “Good Samaritan” Law which allows any person, the general public, to transport to one of the above mentioned.

After the 2009 drought, I made a suggestion that all Landlords in the affected areas might consider closing all housing on the West, Northwest & Southwest sides to prevent future problems, until the conditions improved. Well, you can imagine how that went.

We are now in year 5 of the drought and things are not getting any better.
Penny Halstead
Rogers Wildlife Rehabilitation Center
972-225-4000

LANDLORD BY PROXY
State & Federal Sub-permitted Rehabilitator
2009 - Received 150 Nestlings/Fledglings for Rehab Released: 102
2011 - Received 173 Nestlings/Fledglings/Adults for Rehab Released: 133
Matt@atx
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Hi Penny,



Thanks for the post. Bringing you 15 babies will cost $750.00 + the drive though Im sure I will have more starving then that before it's over.

Mr Scully is in SA and documented 2011 where birds, some within a week from fledging normally, never made it. I too experienced this. There was no visual reason they did not fly except that they were too weak from starvation. All died and/or disappeared( jumped)
If I were to remove babies from their nests, it will only be because they are dying there and nothing less. In 2011 out of 20 breeding pairs, I can positively speak for 3 that made it.
June is gearing up for another special life experience for us like this.
Yesterday I witnessed returning very experienced adults bringing food items barely bigger than their beaks to a clutch of 5 2.5 week old babies.
It has already started. I have approximately a dozen 1st year sub pairs with no experience that are still sitting on their eggs and the worst ahead of them.

When you refer to closing all housing on the West, Northwest & Southwest sides, are you referring to sides of a Martin house or regions in Texas?
2008~(1st yr) 4 pairs, 11 to 12 fledged
2009~(2nd yr) 9 pairs, 41 fledged
2010~(3rd year) 11 pairs. 50 fledged
2011~(4th year) 20 pairs, 23 out of 23 gourds Martin occupied, 3 fledged, the rest died in the drought. (1 new Blue Bird, 3 BB fledged.)
2012~ 26 pairs, approx. 100-110 fledged
TX Rehabber
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Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:38 pm
Location: Texas/Rowlett

Matt,

I’m referring to closing houses & gourds that face in those directions depending on your orientation of the openings. We all know that that hot sun beating directly on housing can cause them to heat dramatically even with proper venting.

A Landlord of 30+ years and my friend had a long talk about this over the winter and he decided to do just that. Needless to say, he had mixed emotions but stayed on top of the drought conditions thru the winter and chose to do what he needed to do to and hopefully, the birds that were refused housing, found it elsewhere. Last year took an emotional toll on him and didn’t want a repeat. There are many wantabee Landlords that have been waiting years for birds, new Landlords and Landlords whose housing aren’t always full. They will find a place.

To understand this better, when drought and heat mix the babies regardless of how much the parents feed, if they can find food, CANNOT replace lost fluids like adults. Baby birds receive ALL moisture thru their food. Moisture/water is essential for every cell in their bodies to continue to function. Kidneys which are responsible for removing waste cannot function without water and blood that carries oxygen becomes thicker without water and the harder the heart has to work. Also, as they become more dehydrated they are unable to digest or absorb any food the parent bird can provide.

The bottom line……humans, birds or animals can go without food for a period of time dependent on many factors, but CANNOT live without water.

HEAT IS THE VILLAIN.
Penny Halstead
Rogers Wildlife Rehabilitation Center
972-225-4000

LANDLORD BY PROXY
State & Federal Sub-permitted Rehabilitator
2009 - Received 150 Nestlings/Fledglings for Rehab Released: 102
2011 - Received 173 Nestlings/Fledglings/Adults for Rehab Released: 133
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