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James Strickland FL
Posts: 2249
Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:04 pm
Location: Reidsville NC
Martin Colony History: 2017 Had a lot visitors no Matins nesting, hoping 2018 will be different.
2018 Had 1 pair
2019 had 30 pair

:-( Sad news tonight I had 4 martins here yesterday and they have been here for over 2 weeks and tonight I have just 1 male. I do not see any under the houses and nothing looks out of place. I do not know what to think. If this keeps up I will not have martins this year.
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flyin-lowe
Posts: 3788
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

I would not sweat it for a few days. For the last three years my ASY'S show up and after a week or do they disappear for a few days. I have seen others on here report similar behavior. If you don't see them by Wed or Thurs something might be up. I am guessing they will be back in a day or so. They might just be gone all day and sneaking in at dark.
2026 HOSP 26
2025 62 pair HOSP 20
2024 60 pair, HOSP 44
2023 60+ pair, HOSP 8
2022 60 nests with 262 eggs, HOSP 14
2021 62 pair, HOSP 9
2020 42 nest, HOSP 8
2019- 31 pair
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair, 12 eggs , fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
Jeff Robinson
Posts: 908
Joined: Mon May 04, 2009 3:32 pm
Location: Rogersville, Missouri
Martin Colony History: 2008 - Current
72 Cavities - 70 Pairs in 2021
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Ditto on Flyin Lowe's comments James,

My first two years, they were in and out over the first couple weeks, and even when they were here steady, if hawks or other predators were close, they'd streak in without me seeing and I wouldn't see them till the next day IF I caught them before I left for work.

Jeff
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bwenger
Posts: 1057
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:24 pm
Location: Pennsylvania/Espyville/Pymatuning Reservoir Area
Martin Colony History: Taking care of 11 active public colonies and trying to start two more in northwestern PA. Also attempting to restart another one in southwestern PA, in Collier Township's Hilltop Park. In 2017, not sure what happened but the ASY male returned and then a couple of weeks later he was gone. It could have been weather related. No other birds showed up. I had a starling nesting at the Public site that I had trouble getting rid of.
In 2018, we fledged 629 martins at all of the sites.

James,

You have a nice place and had a lot of visitors last year. Keep the faith, they will be back. They know from your nesting pairs from last year that it's a safe place to raise young, so don't get discouraged.

Bill
Gary W
Posts: 431
Joined: Tue May 15, 2007 7:29 am
Location: Florida/Pinellas Park

Hi James,

I have experienced those plus and minus stats before, during the early part of the season. In most cases, those missing birds will reappear sometime in the month of March.

Gary
James Strickland FL
Posts: 2249
Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:04 pm
Location: Reidsville NC
Martin Colony History: 2017 Had a lot visitors no Matins nesting, hoping 2018 will be different.
2018 Had 1 pair
2019 had 30 pair

:) Thanks everyone for the support. I may be worrying to much.
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dsonyay
Posts: 1677
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:10 pm
Location: Louisiana/Broussard
Martin Colony History: 2010-2014 located in Slidell LA. Gourd rack with 16 gourds. Max of 2 pairs during this short period in Slidell. Plenty of fledglings.

2014-present.. moved to Broussard LA. Same Gourd Rack but added a 6 room house (modified from a 12 room)

2020: after a long drought of nothing, 4 pairs and 4 nests, 23 eggs total.
6 fledges.

2021: 9 pair, 47 eggs
36 hatchlings
30 fledged

2022: about 12 pairs.. many eggs, all fledged.. only had one hatchling die.. probably because of our schnauzer. :(

2023: 16 pairs. So far about 60 chicks with about a dozen eggs to go.

2024: 13 pair. About 60 eggs
2025: 14 pairs .. 69 eggs.

Same here James.

I don't have a thriving colony yet. This is my third year. My early arrivals will stay a few days and disappear a few days from time to time. The first year it scared me. Thought a hawk attack scared them away.

I have two right now and they have been in and out for a week. It's like they don't get really serious about their gourds/site until the main troops start to arrive later on. But who know? :). I wouldn't worry. Its still very early

Best of luck!
Gobbler T
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Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:13 am
Location: Mississippi / Columbus

They're just out gathering friends. Keep the faith brother! They'll be back.
Tony


2007 --- 0 2011---0 2015---4
2008 --- 0 2012---0 16-19—0
2009 --- 0 2013---1 2020—?
2010 --- 0 2014---3
rrmartins
Posts: 1441
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:04 am
Location: Round Rock, TX

Don't worry, they are just gathering more to bring back.
2021
T14
10 Pair
49 Fledged
James Strickland FL
Posts: 2249
Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:04 pm
Location: Reidsville NC
Martin Colony History: 2017 Had a lot visitors no Matins nesting, hoping 2018 will be different.
2018 Had 1 pair
2019 had 30 pair

I sure hope. This morning a friend looked in on them and their was only one flying around.
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Carlton
Posts: 1959
Joined: Tue May 17, 2005 6:42 pm
Location: Florida/Deerfield Beach
Martin Colony History: I moved to South Florida, from Delaware, in August of 2015.

I care for a 6 condo Sunset House as well as two Deluxe Gourd Racks, with 24 Chirpynest/Excluder gourds, along a canal in Pompano Beach, Florida.


At Quiet Waters Park, nearby in Deerfield Beach, I care for a Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 TVG's. I also care for a Deluxe Gourd rack with 12 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder entrances. I am substituting 6 Chirpynest boxes for 6 of the Conley II entranced gourds in 2026.

At another local park, Tradewinds Park in Coconut Creek, I care for a Trendsetter 12, 5 gourds rack with 60 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder Entrances and 1 Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 Troyer Vertical Gourds with Starling Stoppers over the Conley II's to keep out smaller starlings.

I will throw in my vote with "they will be back, Jim."
James Strickland FL
Posts: 2249
Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:04 pm
Location: Reidsville NC
Martin Colony History: 2017 Had a lot visitors no Matins nesting, hoping 2018 will be different.
2018 Had 1 pair
2019 had 30 pair

:-( Well the only male I have came in and the other did not. This is it for me. If he leaves then I am over with this hobby. It is just to much work with little to no results. Going from 6 to 1 is more than I wish to deal with. I am going to go and find another hobby.
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Keith
Posts: 435
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:45 pm
Location: Missouri/Ava
Martin Colony History: 85 pair in 2020. Seems fairly consistent the last few years.

Hello James,
I am just curious to know if there are any hawks hanging around your area that has made your martins uneasy. This can sure have an effect when there are just a few birds especially before nesting begins. You know I am behind you all the way and certainly hope your martins do return. Good luck.
Keith
dsonyay
Posts: 1677
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:10 pm
Location: Louisiana/Broussard
Martin Colony History: 2010-2014 located in Slidell LA. Gourd rack with 16 gourds. Max of 2 pairs during this short period in Slidell. Plenty of fledglings.

2014-present.. moved to Broussard LA. Same Gourd Rack but added a 6 room house (modified from a 12 room)

2020: after a long drought of nothing, 4 pairs and 4 nests, 23 eggs total.
6 fledges.

2021: 9 pair, 47 eggs
36 hatchlings
30 fledged

2022: about 12 pairs.. many eggs, all fledged.. only had one hatchling die.. probably because of our schnauzer. :(

2023: 16 pairs. So far about 60 chicks with about a dozen eggs to go.

2024: 13 pair. About 60 eggs
2025: 14 pairs .. 69 eggs.

James-
You'll be fine.. you had one pair last year and lots of visitors from what I remember.
That one male is going to get a female. The others may be off finding females.. who knows? You've got the beginning stages of a site... like me. :)

Just relax and let nature get to work. All you need to do is keep the houses up and maintained. Those little guys will appreciate it. :)
marshainpuntagorda
Posts: 177
Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:58 pm
Location: Punta Gorda/Florida

James, I have an established site and my Martins left for a few days a couple of weeks ago; when they returned the Alpha male brought 10 more with him and his "girlfriend"; don't give up my friend; nature has her way, but you are helping the Purple Martins by just trying...if you don't have predation or failed nesting you should be ok...just make sure you have the stovepipe predator guard and the netting...if you have last years birds they are still trying to establish...hang in there... :)
Think Purple!
James Strickland FL
Posts: 2249
Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:04 pm
Location: Reidsville NC
Martin Colony History: 2017 Had a lot visitors no Matins nesting, hoping 2018 will be different.
2018 Had 1 pair
2019 had 30 pair

Thanks Marsha, I think I have had a Hawk attack. I have everything on the bottom to stop any other animal. We will see. Lets hope that they are coming in real late for a while.
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John Miller
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Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:11 pm
Location: St. Louis, MO

Often martin behavior is linked to weather. In early cold spells, martins may depart some housing and huddle at well-established colonies.

You on the other hand have been experiencing a heat wave. Not sure how that might affect them, but suspect they are soaring high over the everglades and enjoying themselves.

John Miller
James Strickland FL
Posts: 2249
Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:04 pm
Location: Reidsville NC
Martin Colony History: 2017 Had a lot visitors no Matins nesting, hoping 2018 will be different.
2018 Had 1 pair
2019 had 30 pair

:grin: John I sure am hoping you are correct.
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marshainpuntagorda
Posts: 177
Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:58 pm
Location: Punta Gorda/Florida

James, we have had hawks trying for a quick snack and our decoy was targeted...you could see the talons and hear the "clunk"...that was one surprised hawk :lol: BTW the Martins and Doves had taken off just a second before the attack...if you can put up a decoy it may help
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James Strickland FL
Posts: 2249
Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:04 pm
Location: Reidsville NC
Martin Colony History: 2017 Had a lot visitors no Matins nesting, hoping 2018 will be different.
2018 Had 1 pair
2019 had 30 pair

Thanks Marsha, I have had Decoys up before and the visitors just hate them and will not land. I am not sure what to do. I may try doves and see what happens. I have a Bass pro shop near me and I am sure they have them.
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