Round 7: Starling defeats original Excluder!

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Scully
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In response to our starling problems with the Conley II's Dave McClaskey at S&K kindly contacted me and sent me a large quantity of entrances of the sort marketed to be used on natural gourds.

Typical of S&K, these entrances incorporate the latest improvements. Here is the S&K crescent entrance....

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We have had great success with the S&K crescent and its flush-mounted porch every year since 2004, and never had a starling invasion of our many S&K gourds.

So it was with some optimism that I adapted some of these entrances to try on our two school sites with starlings in the Conley II Troyer Horizonals.

To use them I cut off the stubs of porches I had left on the Troyers and cut open the entrance plate. The S&K entrance was attached using three 3" quarter-inch bolts.

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Coverting all four Troyers on the rack took about thirty minutes. The original gourds were left in place as two of them contain martin eggs.

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I should add here that the starling has laid three eggs in the last three days (there were none on Saturday) and will pobably lay again tonight or tomorrow. What we have here is a motivated starling.

For the first ninety minutes the results were encouraging, the female starling repeatedly returned to the gourd, crouching down, sticking her head inside and trying to get in without success.

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All three of the other Troyers on the rack are occuppied and those martins easily adjusted to the new openings.

Finally, as dusk closed in, the female starling made a concerted and susutained effort to enter the gourd.

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At late dusk, she finally succeeded. This is what the south end of a starling looks like squeezing into an S&K crescent with porch.

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Ok, she will probably lay at least two more eggs to the three she has before when commences to incubate, then two weeks of incubation after that. I have some time here.

Out of curiousity, Round Three is going to be the S&K Clinger entrances that Dave sent us with wing-entrapment guards and a flush mounted porch.

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My concern is that the martins in the other Troyers may have difficulty with this entrance type even though they easily adjusted to Conley II's and S&K Crescents.

I have never used Clinger entrances before. Is there any reason to suspect that the martins will have problems learning it?

Anyhow, if the Clingers are also breached, round four is gonna be Modified Exlcuder plates.

Rest assured, this will all end badly from the starling's point of view regardless.

Thanks,

Mike Scully
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I wonder if she will be able to even make it out.
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Scully I'm pretty sure the clinger won't be any different than the crescent. That looks like a pretty determined starling and the ones I've seen are too. Shooting or trapping is the best for these kind.

The excluder may be what you're gonna need. I will be interested to see the outcome. : )
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I think the S&K porch gives the starling traction and allows her to push her way in. I had the exact same problem last year on a Safe Haven house with crescents. I raised the porch flush with opening with smooth plastic and installed pmca wing guards on the outside and it stopped the starling cold. She had eggs and tried hard to get back in before she gave up. Do a search on Safe Haven and you will find my post. I don't know how to bring it back up.

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Mike,

I too will be interested in hearing the results of your Clinger trials with THAT particular starling. I have 8 BO-11 tunneled gourds with the Clinger entrance. I've watched many a starling try to enter the Clinger - all unsuccessful. Most of my martins enter the Clinger easily; although not without a bit more effort than the Conley II. It's taken a few of them a little more time to figure out the Clinger, but they eventually do, similar to their initial efforts on a crescent.
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On the bright side................. you have a chance to see what entrance, if any, ends up stopping these Darn Starling's! Might as well try the Dually, Ace, Original Excluder entrances, if you can get some. The Clinger is easily navigated by the Martins and should be of No concern. As far as the size of these Starling's, do they look any smaller than what is considered normal? I don't have many Starling's around here however, the few we have look huge, when they are near a entrance............right before the .22 bullet takes them out. :wink: I "think" I have a couple extra Dually and Ace plates I can send too you if you want them. I will look and send you a PM if I do. :)
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Scott D.- La wrote:On the bright side................. you have a chance to see what entrance, if any, ends up stopping these Darn Starling's! Might as well try the Dually, Ace, Original Excluder entrances, if you can get some. The Clinger is easily navigated by the Martins and should be of No concern. As far as the size of these Starling's, do they look any smaller than what is considered normal? I don't have many Starling's around here however, the few we have look huge, when they are near a entrance............right before the .22 bullet takes them out. :wink: I "think" I have a couple extra Dually and Ace plates I can send too you if you want them. I will look and send you a PM if I do. :)
Scott, I have never seen a picture of the Dually, can you post a picture?

Mike, I admire your patience with this starling - it does present a great opportunity to experiment though. I'm looking forward to your results.
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Kathy, here is an entrance assembly for natural gourds that has the dually entrance. It is only about 1.86in wide, so I don't think that a starling can enter sideways. This entrance can be mounted 1/4 to 1/2inch above the porch.

He called it a Dually because it has dual holes, the entrance hole and a feeding hole.

The porch should be attached before using this assembly. The porch uses two pushpins and the two holes under the entrance
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Mike, this is a great opportunity you've seized to test!
Great work!
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Mike I suggest you try the dually entrance. Ken Landry developed the entrance and has never had a breach, but recently has had a breach using the WDC on a THG just as you and I and many others have had.
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As far as the size of these Starling's, do they look any smaller than what is considered normal? I don't have many Starling's around here however, the few we have look huge, when they are near a entrance............right before the .22 bullet takes them out. :wink:

Well................leave it to a couple Starling's to make a duh of me :roll: This post made me look a little harder this morning before I started my work on the house and low and behold, I see a bird with a huge load of crap in it's beak headed for a Troyer Horizontal with Modified Excluder. It comes back out and a Martin dive bombed it so, I got my .22 Rifle for a better look. I'll be a Son of a Biscuit eater, sure enough, on the backside where I can't see very well, they had taken over a gourd and stuffed it full of junk. From what I saw, 1 was entering, the other bringing more and more nesting material. I am not sure if one or both were breeching or not? While I did not find any dead Martin's, I lost 1, possibly 2 nest of egg's, as the next gourd in back, the egg's were not viable and threw them out. It took 1 1/2 hour's to get them from my Son's newly installed bedroom window however, Reap It they did :twisted: I have not been paying much attention to my SREH gourd's but, look at my round hole's often. I have been very busy, and just have not taken the time to watch. I have noticed more Starling's this year feeding on the ground then normal. I usually kill 6 a year and these 2 make 5 this year. I will have to take more time to watch, but cannot all the time like I am used to.
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do you guys with starling issues, have nest box traps up? meaning the repeating types?

When i have a starling checking out my trio he eventually finds his way over to my NB trap. The startlings are indeed smart, but too smart in this case.
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Scott that didn't take you long to fix the problem! I know if they are feeding under the racks that I've probably had a breach. Dead give away here.

So did you Son ask for a new window or was it just the perfect location for a shooting blind???? HA!!

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I care for a 6 condo Sunset House as well as two Deluxe Gourd Racks, with 24 Chirpynest/Excluder gourds, along a canal in Pompano Beach, Florida.


At Quiet Waters Park, nearby in Deerfield Beach, I care for a Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 TVG's. I also care for a Deluxe Gourd rack with 12 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder entrances. I am substituting 6 Chirpynest boxes for 6 of the Conley II entranced gourds in 2026.

At another local park, Tradewinds Park in Coconut Creek, I care for a Trendsetter 12, 5 gourds rack with 60 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder Entrances and 1 Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 Troyer Vertical Gourds with Starling Stoppers over the Conley II's to keep out smaller starlings.

For the first time since 2003 I had a starling breech one of my SREH - a Conley II. He did not turn sideways or struggle to get in. He simply scooted in as easily as if it was a round hole. I was flabbergasted.

I did not yet have any nesting martins in those THG's so I exchanged those gourds for my older THG with the Modified Excluder ( I think it is called.) A few years ago I had added thin ceramic tiles on the porch under those entrances so the tile is almost to the base of the entrance. I had also cut out that back tunnel area so it is almost as wide as the entrance area in the tunnel.

Have not seen any starlings enter YET.
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Boy, have I ever been out of the loop :oops:

Dave McClaskey (CEO S&K) also sent several Dually entrances. In truth, I didn't know what to make of them. Dave has already emailed me about this matter as has Ken Landry, who designed and field tested this new opening at multiple sites over a three-year period.

A quick check to Cornell's Birds of North America Online website gave an incubation time for starlings of 12 days, presumably from the date the last egg was laid. Three eggs as of yesterday evening. Probable hatch day May 9the (two weeks) or thereabouts.

Next time I can get out there is Thursday or Friday pm, at which time I will install the Clingers instead and see what happens. Time permitting, I would like to remove the original entrance from one of our unused horizontals and install it on this gourd with a shim installed to bring up the porch height flush with the entrance.

After that, I have the Dually's, which may be the entrance to end all and which will probably close out the experiment. But, in the meantime, if anyone has an entrance style they would like me to try with this starling, pm me for an address.

As for the size of the starling, she does appear smaller than the norm. Here's a pic from one week ago, female starling in front. Size, especially weight, in songbirds can be hard to determine by looking on account of the mobility of the plumage but this female does indeed appear a tad smaller.

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The pair of starlings in the back of the photo are nesting on the school under an awning not 50 feet from the location of the gourdset. They frequently perch on the gourdset.

In situations where the male starling cannot enter the gourd (I have never seen him go in) this probably has an effect on breeding success. Turns out male starlings share some of the incubation duties as well as feeding the nestlings.


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I care for a 6 condo Sunset House as well as two Deluxe Gourd Racks, with 24 Chirpynest/Excluder gourds, along a canal in Pompano Beach, Florida.


At Quiet Waters Park, nearby in Deerfield Beach, I care for a Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 TVG's. I also care for a Deluxe Gourd rack with 12 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder entrances. I am substituting 6 Chirpynest boxes for 6 of the Conley II entranced gourds in 2026.

At another local park, Tradewinds Park in Coconut Creek, I care for a Trendsetter 12, 5 gourds rack with 60 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder Entrances and 1 Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 Troyer Vertical Gourds with Starling Stoppers over the Conley II's to keep out smaller starlings.

When I was in FL last winter I had a starling try to move into my MSS-8 house (modified). One of the starlings could easily get through the crescent entrance but I do not think the mate could. They abandoned the site and martins moved in.
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My colony was started using the clinger entrance so I don't think you should have any problems. I've seen video of the Dually, I don't think it can be breached. Interesting to watch your test.
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Peggy Riley wrote:Scott that didn't take you long to fix the problem! I know if they are feeding under the racks that I've probably had a breach. Dead give away here.

So did you Son ask for a new window or was it just the perfect location for a shooting blind???? HA!!

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Peggy, He did indeed ask for it however, unbeknownst to him, Daddy had plan's for a Sniper position, as it's in the best spot ever to shoot into my setup. He wants a AC unit installed and that would mess me up :cry: All these young punk's and their modern conveniences. :roll: I can goof off till at least August :)
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While reading this post just now, I glanced out at my Gemini rack, and saw a starling perched on the porch of one of my THG with Conley-II entrance. :evil: I reached for my air rifle and headed outside. The starling flew off, and then out of the gourd came its mate. :evil: :evil: I didn't even have a chance to get off a good shot. Thoroughly disgusting! :evil: :evil: :evil:
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NancyinEnidOK wrote:While reading this post just now, I glanced out at my Gemini rack, and saw a starling perched on the porch of one of my THG with Conley-II entrance. :evil: I reached for my air rifle and headed outside. The starling flew off, and then out of the gourd came its mate. :evil: :evil: I didn't even have a chance to get off a good shot. Thoroughly disgusting! :evil: :evil: :evil:
These stories are making me very, very nervous. I have really been promoting the Troyer gourds with my mentees and with this many stories popping up, they no longer seem to be "one-offs". :-(
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