Cedar Shavings
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Virgil McCoy
- Posts: 302
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- Location: Louisiana/Alexandria
- Martin Colony History: Purple Martin Landlord since 2006
How many of you use cedar shaving for nest material ?
Proud to be a fourth generation Purple Martin landlord.
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MartinMan68
- Posts: 37
- Joined: Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:57 am
- Location: Englewood,tn
I use a little cedar shavings ,but mostly i use white pine needles.They keep it dryer underneath ,and I use some oak leaves. 
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Guest
Wood shavings are fine as long as they don;t get wet,they dry to slowly and require more nest change outs where as pine needles are not very absorbant at all,just my opinion,
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dick
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Guest
Wood shavings are fine as long as they don;t get wet,they dry to slowly and require more nest change outs where as pine needles are not very absorbant at all,just my opinion,
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Guest
Wood shavings are fine as long as they don;t get wet,they dry to slowly and require more nest change outs where as pine needles are not very absorbant at all,just my opinion,
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Carlton
- Posts: 1959
- Joined: Tue May 17, 2005 6:42 pm
- Location: Florida/Deerfield Beach
- Martin Colony History: I moved to South Florida, from Delaware, in August of 2015.
I care for a 6 condo Sunset House as well as two Deluxe Gourd Racks, with 24 Chirpynest/Excluder gourds, along a canal in Pompano Beach, Florida.
At Quiet Waters Park, nearby in Deerfield Beach, I care for a Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 TVG's. I also care for a Deluxe Gourd rack with 12 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder entrances. I am substituting 6 Chirpynest boxes for 6 of the Conley II entranced gourds in 2026.
At another local park, Tradewinds Park in Coconut Creek, I care for a Trendsetter 12, 5 gourds rack with 60 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder Entrances and 1 Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 Troyer Vertical Gourds with Starling Stoppers over the Conley II's to keep out smaller starlings.
I do not like wood shavings as they do get damp and do not dry out. I tried them twice and both times they were unsatisfactory.
Dry pine needles or dry needles of other evergreens works MUCH better. I found that the martins did not really the wood shavings either and often threw them all out before bringing in their own nesting material. With pine needles I never have to do nest changes.
Dry pine needles or dry needles of other evergreens works MUCH better. I found that the martins did not really the wood shavings either and often threw them all out before bringing in their own nesting material. With pine needles I never have to do nest changes.
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Virgil McCoy
- Posts: 302
- Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:06 pm
- Location: Louisiana/Alexandria
- Martin Colony History: Purple Martin Landlord since 2006
I used Pine Needles purchased from my local nursery last year which I assume are local "Southern Pine" needles. Since its been such a cold winter my thought was to place some cedar shavings on top of my needles and rake them off after a few weeks or as needed ? What variety of Pine tree do these, "White Pine", needles come from and how are they different ?
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flyin-lowe
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- Location: Indiana/Henry Co.
I am not sure about ID'ing all the different pines. However some pines have needles about 3-4 inches long that are thin and flexible. These are the ones you want. Some pine trees have needles that are only about an inch long, they are sharp and not flexible, these are the ones you don't want to use.
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2025 62 pair HOSP 20
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2022 60 nests with 262 eggs, HOSP 14
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2019- 31 pair
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2017 3 SY pair, 12 eggs , fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
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2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
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Carlton
- Posts: 1959
- Joined: Tue May 17, 2005 6:42 pm
- Location: Florida/Deerfield Beach
- Martin Colony History: I moved to South Florida, from Delaware, in August of 2015.
I care for a 6 condo Sunset House as well as two Deluxe Gourd Racks, with 24 Chirpynest/Excluder gourds, along a canal in Pompano Beach, Florida.
At Quiet Waters Park, nearby in Deerfield Beach, I care for a Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 TVG's. I also care for a Deluxe Gourd rack with 12 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder entrances. I am substituting 6 Chirpynest boxes for 6 of the Conley II entranced gourds in 2026.
At another local park, Tradewinds Park in Coconut Creek, I care for a Trendsetter 12, 5 gourds rack with 60 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder Entrances and 1 Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 Troyer Vertical Gourds with Starling Stoppers over the Conley II's to keep out smaller starlings.
http://www.rook.org/earl/bwca/nature/tr ... strob.html
The white pine has 5 needles but cluster and the needles are soft and flexible. It is not a southern tree unless up in a mountainous area of The South.
White pine needles are great but not necessary. I have used both Yellow Pine and White Pine and both work just fine. Personally, I use the Loblolly pine that is so common throughout The South. Sometimes I just cram them into the gourd and sometimes I cut them in half to put them into Trio or Trendsetter houses.
The white pine has 5 needles but cluster and the needles are soft and flexible. It is not a southern tree unless up in a mountainous area of The South.
White pine needles are great but not necessary. I have used both Yellow Pine and White Pine and both work just fine. Personally, I use the Loblolly pine that is so common throughout The South. Sometimes I just cram them into the gourd and sometimes I cut them in half to put them into Trio or Trendsetter houses.
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Emil Pampell-Tx
- Posts: 6743
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- Location: Tx, Richmond (SW of Houston)
- Martin Colony History: First started in Gretna, La in 1969 with a small homemade house, have had martins ever since at 2 different homes in Texas
I tried cedar shavings and the martins threw them out, they picked up pine needles and sticks...
PMCA Member, 250 gourds, 6 poles, 2traps
I use Aspen shavings. They don't pickup moisture. Of course, now that my colony is mature, I don't use anything but pne needles in the gourds and nothing in the house compartments. In the house compartments, I find they sweep the house clean right down to the nest tray. So, I quit putting anything in the nest trays. 
I'm a "nestcamaholic" Is 18 hours a day a bad thing? (I have 2 this year, luckily I have 2 eyes!)
I have tried everthing. I now just put in Alfalfa hay and let them decide. I just use Sevin / nest changes and keep dry. If she prefers mud on the walls
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Rob.
2009. 98 eggs, 66 hatch, 61 fledged.
2010. 114 eggs, 89 hatch,70 fledged.
2011. 96 eggs. 80 hatch,68 fledged.Heavy Merlin preditation.
2012. 89 eggs. 56 hatch, good fledge. Guards installed. Merlin not sighted at houses.
2013. First Egg May 24, first Baby June 13.
2014. successful.
2015. successful.
2016. Martin's population decline, suspect new housing in the neighborhood. Merlin eating well also!
2017.Population explosion
. first egg May 25 in a BO-11
2018. Population stable.
2010. 114 eggs, 89 hatch,70 fledged.
2011. 96 eggs. 80 hatch,68 fledged.Heavy Merlin preditation.
2012. 89 eggs. 56 hatch, good fledge. Guards installed. Merlin not sighted at houses.
2013. First Egg May 24, first Baby June 13.
2014. successful.
2015. successful.
2016. Martin's population decline, suspect new housing in the neighborhood. Merlin eating well also!
2017.Population explosion
2018. Population stable.
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Guest
I put it in.. the Martins throw it out... they also throw out the pine needles. They do like the hay... and the leaves from the bradford pear tree. I find mostly small coarse sticks and leaves with mud in the nests here at my colony.
