Cleaning houses and gourds

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Emil Pampell-Tx
Posts: 6743
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:26 pm
Location: Tx, Richmond (SW of Houston)
Martin Colony History: First started in Gretna, La in 1969 with a small homemade house, have had martins ever since at 2 different homes in Texas

I didn't clean my gourds very well before the just finished season. I dumped out some of the packed and stinky ones, but left a whole lot of the sticks and sort of left them dirty. I left all the material that was stuffed under the entrance so they could enter and exit easily.

The above didn't seem to bother the martins at all, we had the best ever season here, the weather was sort of ideal. We got a lot of rain (18in in July), and we had excellent success with the fledging.

Now that brings up a point, is it necessary and important to clean out the gourds and housing with bleach or other strong chemicals?

Or is it better to leave them somewhat dirty? Are there any "good" bugs in the old nests that help keep the martins healthy? I garden organically, and I think that maybe we should start to consider to not use stuff like bleach to sterilize the housing.

A third factor is that I do use sevin, but even with the dirty gourds, and with all the July rains, only one application of sevin was used at the beginning of the season, and I never saw a single mite.

I really don't know which methods are best, but its a whole lot easier to not clean them real well, and the martins seem to like that, and it sure doesn't seem to hurt them at all....just some thoughts
PMCA Member, 250 gourds, 6 poles, 2traps
terrapincove
Posts: 366
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:06 pm
Location: Maurice River, Southern NJ
Martin Colony History: Well established 90 cavity colony. Mostly plastic gourds with some custom cedar houses atop pilings out over the river. We live stream the activity on our website https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXKqSW ... Ph2tywu4eg

We are on the Maurice River. The Maurice is brackish and tidal. It meets the Delaware bay about three miles down at East Point, NJ. The area is remote and consists of dense marshland and swamp. Dragonflies abound.

Swallows arrive in mid August and finish nesting mid July. There is a large annual roost in mid August upriver a few miles at Mauricetown.

Anything that can be done to reduce the effort required to host martins will increase the number of people willing to become landlords.
tonyg
Posts: 1520
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:16 pm
Location: Olpe, KS
Martin Colony History: 22 year landlord, 14 at current residence..offering 9 racks and a homemade T-8 for 166 total cavities. 160 Pair in 2018 Racks consist of a Deluxe 12, AAA 16, Starburst 16, 2 K-18 Series, Super 24, 2 Gemini, Multi-purpose/two trio’s/4gourds and a T-8..Great hobby to be involved in..

Emil I just remove the old nest and do a little rinsing with water in my gourds and just remove the nest in my trio's and T-14..I think they like that "lived in" look when they return in the spring.
~Ray~Gingerich
Posts: 2122
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:24 pm
Location: Delaware/Dover

I wonder if it would work to place a gourd with nest and all in an old microwave to kill all any bacteria, mites or eggs in the nesting material. That might be good in the spring for that lived in before look.
~Ray~ Gingerich
1999 1pair, 2006 2 pair, 2008 2 pair,
2009 23 pair, 2010 39 pair, 2011 67 pair,
2012 115 pair, 2013 160 pair,
2014 152 pair, 2015 174 pair, 2016 178 pair
2017 187 pair, 2018 200 pair, 2019 171pair
2020 233 pair
april57
Posts: 232
Joined: Fri May 29, 2009 1:58 pm
Location: Wizard Lake Alberta

Its good I think to have new nests. Like moving into a new condo. I just take the old nests out and wipe out with a light bleach solution. Ready to go for the new year. We have a huge problem North with blowflies so you want all material gone and nothing hybernating over the winter.
As flies do that...
April
2007 none
2008 few landed
2009 - 2 pair - 9 eggs- 9 fledged
2010 - 1ASY pair and 4SY pair total 10 bird
2011 first ASY pair May 06
2012 first pair arrived May 01, May 21 total 10 pairs 49 babies
2013 May 04 martins 2 pair May 19 total 12 pair
2014 May 08 2 pair May 12 almost full 10 pair
fzelch
Posts: 8
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:35 pm
Location: Richmond, KY

I use bleach and water to clean my house and gourds only to make sure I have no parasites left in them. This being my first year here in KY and lucky to have already had two breeding pairs I'll have to wait and see what next season brings.
Frank
LarryMelcher/KY
Posts: 675
Joined: Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:08 pm
Location: Kentucky/Shepherdsville

Emil,
Just to clarify for readers, are you still using a lot of Natural gourds? Plastics and alluminum housing I would think it does not matter, but the "rotting factor" of the bottom of a nice natural is one reason I would definitely clean out gourds at the end of the season.

I, like you, don't like the end of season clean-up at all. Last year, I waited too late, and my hands nearly froze while cleaning gourds out with the garden hose sometime late in November. This year, I plan to get my 168 nests cleaned up much sooner. (still not done) I only have 58 of those at home, and hope to someday meet some martin nuts like me that will help me at the public colony sites to do the rest.
I manage 2 public sites, and one at home, for a total of 172 cavities. Board Member / Non Profit PMCA.
Find videos that I edit for the PMCA Youtube channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/PurpleMartinPMCA
Robbo
Posts: 624
Joined: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:53 pm
Location: Leduc, Alberta, Canada.

I also use bleach and water. I agree with April ( Hi April), Although I am speaking of wooden houses and yes Blowflies and Mites can be a big problem here. Next season will be my first with Gourds( BO-11's) and I will clean them also after the season if they attract any Martin's.
Rob.
2009. 98 eggs, 66 hatch, 61 fledged.
2010. 114 eggs, 89 hatch,70 fledged.
2011. 96 eggs. 80 hatch,68 fledged.Heavy Merlin preditation.
2012. 89 eggs. 56 hatch, good fledge. Guards installed. Merlin not sighted at houses.
2013. First Egg May 24, first Baby June 13.
2014. successful.
2015. successful.
2016. Martin's population decline, suspect new housing in the neighborhood. Merlin eating well also!
2017.Population explosion :grin: . first egg May 25 in a BO-11
2018. Population stable.
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