This sure has been a difficult year. Although there are fledglings scattered everywhere in the rain and storms of late, my numbers are not as good as last year.
First we had extreme cold after egg laying began. This lead to small clutches or bad eggs. This also caused some nests now to be fledging while others are still on eggs or just hatching. There is a huge disparity in age in the housing.
This then leads to difficulty in doing nest checks. As it is best to avoid this when young are sticking heads out ready to fledge. The past few weeks have been very wet and stormy. Now we got wet nests and blowfly making the scene. There are nests that need changed that are wet and smelly while fledging is occurring.
To add insult to injury a very aggressive group of subadult males are trying stake claim to the gourds that have recently fledged young. This includes my colony founder's gourd since 2009. He brought the family back for the night only to be taken to the ground repeatedly by a tenacious SY male that claimed his gourd while the family was away for the day. He fought and fought but could not win.
So you can see what a chaotic year I am having. Meanwhile heavy storms are pounding fledglings daily and continuing to soak nests. I had to break up a fight in a gourd and lowered the one rack at 8:00PM yesterday. A SY male in a nest with 4 young only a week old. The parents were trying to get him out.
That's my update. It's a wild ride here. I still got subbies yet to nest too.
Doug
Difficult year - My King was dethroned. (Note the date)
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Doug Martin - PA
- Posts: 1988
- Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:47 am
- Location: Pennsylvania/Fombell
- Martin Colony History: First pair in 2009 after 28 years of trying. 3 pairs 2010, 17 pairs 2011 and 35-45 pairs since. Many additional colonies are now springing up around mine in an area once completely void of Martins. I offer 50 compartments at my site consisting of primarily Excluder II gourds on Gemini racks. Also a wooden T-14. I utilize electric fence type predator guards on the base of the poles. Supplemental feeding is crucial in maintaining my colony. I platform feed throughout the season as needed. My site tends to be a stop over point for additional birds as they migrate further north.
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Supplemental feeding plays a major role in Western Pennsylvania. Finally got my 1st pair in 2009 after 28 years of effort. The colony has grown quickly to 45 pairs that I care for. Many new colonies have now sprung up around me in the past few years as well. Where there was none.... there is many.
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KathyF
- Posts: 3522
- Joined: Thu May 24, 2007 1:57 pm
- Location: Missouri/Licking
- Martin Colony History: Colony started - 2007 with one pair
As of 2018 - 84 cavities offered, max # of pairs hosted - 82.
Wow Doug - so sorry you're having a tough time! It's either a drought year or a soaker of a year.
You're a strong, resilient landlord - hang in there - someday, you'll look back on this year with fondness.
(ok, maybe not, but I'm sure it made you smile) . 
You're a strong, resilient landlord - hang in there - someday, you'll look back on this year with fondness.
"Sometimes", said Pooh, "the smallest things take up the most room in your heart."
2023 - 82 pair
2022 - 80 pair
2021 - 75 pair
2020 - 78 pair
2019 - 80 pair
http://kathyfreeze.blogspot.com
2023 - 82 pair
2022 - 80 pair
2021 - 75 pair
2020 - 78 pair
2019 - 80 pair
http://kathyfreeze.blogspot.com
Doug, things up there sound like things down here. I am fighting the blow fly battle (though I may win this one) but the wet nests, difficulty for parent birds to find food, and aggressive subbies still are a problem. I am sorry about your dethroned male. That is very hard to watch.
As you can see from my post this morning, I was sickened by finding a nest of dead babies, the result being blow flies. I won't let the nests go more than a day or two now without checking them. But then there is the problem of the older birds jumping out of their nests.
I guess we really love our martins, or we wouldn't be going through this. There is so much satisfaction to seeing them fly gracefully over, and listening to their happy chatter -- or watching them all zoom in for the night.
Sue P
As you can see from my post this morning, I was sickened by finding a nest of dead babies, the result being blow flies. I won't let the nests go more than a day or two now without checking them. But then there is the problem of the older birds jumping out of their nests.
I guess we really love our martins, or we wouldn't be going through this. There is so much satisfaction to seeing them fly gracefully over, and listening to their happy chatter -- or watching them all zoom in for the night.
Sue P
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Doug Martin - PA
- Posts: 1988
- Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:47 am
- Location: Pennsylvania/Fombell
- Martin Colony History: First pair in 2009 after 28 years of trying. 3 pairs 2010, 17 pairs 2011 and 35-45 pairs since. Many additional colonies are now springing up around mine in an area once completely void of Martins. I offer 50 compartments at my site consisting of primarily Excluder II gourds on Gemini racks. Also a wooden T-14. I utilize electric fence type predator guards on the base of the poles. Supplemental feeding is crucial in maintaining my colony. I platform feed throughout the season as needed. My site tends to be a stop over point for additional birds as they migrate further north.
Kathy & Sue,
I thought this was going to be a peaceful, easy year of a maturing colony. Wow what a mess. The yacking and fighting and drenching just won't stop.
I swear a bunch of new subbies just arrived. They are not here to sing and preen either. Watching my founding male and colony King get pummeled to where he could not get up was very difficult. Reminded me of the Lion King and the circle of life.
Thought I could change a nest or two today. It hasn't stopped raining yet.
This is one year where nature will have to run it's course.
Doug
I thought this was going to be a peaceful, easy year of a maturing colony. Wow what a mess. The yacking and fighting and drenching just won't stop.
I swear a bunch of new subbies just arrived. They are not here to sing and preen either. Watching my founding male and colony King get pummeled to where he could not get up was very difficult. Reminded me of the Lion King and the circle of life.
Thought I could change a nest or two today. It hasn't stopped raining yet.
This is one year where nature will have to run it's course.
Doug
Supplemental feeding plays a major role in Western Pennsylvania. Finally got my 1st pair in 2009 after 28 years of effort. The colony has grown quickly to 45 pairs that I care for. Many new colonies have now sprung up around me in the past few years as well. Where there was none.... there is many.
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dhjohnson
- Posts: 478
- Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:24 pm
- Location: North Carolina/Clayton
- Martin Colony History: 5th year hostess. Currently 58 confirmed breeding pair. 218 Fledged, 35 older nestlings, 2 new nests with 8 nestlings. 100% occupancy
Doug,
You're not alone in experiencing trials this year. We have endured the cold weather with eggs not hatching and second clutches laid. Additionally, we have 14 single SY males that have carried off a few newly hatched young as well as killing 1 young that was within a week of fledging. His Mom was a single ASY trying to valiently feed her offspring of one that hatched from a clutch of five eggs. Sadly a violent storm took her out and thats when the SY's got the almost ready to fledge youngster. Thankfully, bugs have been plentiful and dragonflys abound. Jolly whoppers this year. We have had sufficient breaks in the rain for pairs to feed young. Everyone is fat and sassy! We are looking for 50+ young to take their first flight this week. Keep the faith...this too will pass and the newly acquired knowledge will add to our experience in the years to come!
Hope the season is fruitful for you!
Debbie
You're not alone in experiencing trials this year. We have endured the cold weather with eggs not hatching and second clutches laid. Additionally, we have 14 single SY males that have carried off a few newly hatched young as well as killing 1 young that was within a week of fledging. His Mom was a single ASY trying to valiently feed her offspring of one that hatched from a clutch of five eggs. Sadly a violent storm took her out and thats when the SY's got the almost ready to fledge youngster. Thankfully, bugs have been plentiful and dragonflys abound. Jolly whoppers this year. We have had sufficient breaks in the rain for pairs to feed young. Everyone is fat and sassy! We are looking for 50+ young to take their first flight this week. Keep the faith...this too will pass and the newly acquired knowledge will add to our experience in the years to come!
Hope the season is fruitful for you!
Debbie
Debbie Johnson
Clayton/NC (Archer Lodge)
2012 New Site 6 pair, 21 Fledged
2013 24 pair, 102 eggs, 94 hatched, 89 Fledged. What a great year!
2014 37 pair, 211 eggs, 193 Hatched, 178 Fledged, 1 nest of 5 young left! Late start but picked up speed quickly!
Clayton/NC (Archer Lodge)
2012 New Site 6 pair, 21 Fledged
2013 24 pair, 102 eggs, 94 hatched, 89 Fledged. What a great year!
2014 37 pair, 211 eggs, 193 Hatched, 178 Fledged, 1 nest of 5 young left! Late start but picked up speed quickly!
makes me realize how regional PM landlord business is. We've had terible years due to heat but this year has been my best in 17 years. Been in the 80's all week here and perfect spring rains and bug counts off charts.
So sorry. Frustrating to watch them suffer.
So sorry. Frustrating to watch them suffer.
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barry resvick
- Posts: 185
- Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:07 pm
- Location: Alberta/Didsbury
- Martin Colony History: 2010 we had just one sy male all summer
2011 we had the same male come back but eventually brought home a female and had five eggs but were infertile
2012 we had our first two chicks but lost them
2013 we fledged six and had two pair
2014 we fledged 13 from four pairs
2015 we fledged 24 from 6 pairs
Hey Doug!
Just thought id let you know your not alone.Even up here in Alberta,Canada we are getting alot of sub tropic weather as of late.I think its just another reminder that global warming is changing weather patterns everywhere.
Just thought id let you know your not alone.Even up here in Alberta,Canada we are getting alot of sub tropic weather as of late.I think its just another reminder that global warming is changing weather patterns everywhere.
2010______2 visitors
2011______1asy male 3 visitors
2012______1 pair,possibly2(5 infertile eggs)
2013______2 pair,5infertile eggs,4hatched,0 fledged
2014______3 pair,Fledged 13
2011______1asy male 3 visitors
2012______1 pair,possibly2(5 infertile eggs)
2013______2 pair,5infertile eggs,4hatched,0 fledged
2014______3 pair,Fledged 13
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ToyinPA
- Posts: 2227
- Joined: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:07 pm
- Location: PA/Avis
- Martin Colony History: The 1972 St. Agnes flood wiped out all the Martins in my area. One day, in 1997-98, 5 or 6 Martins landed on the power wires crossing my back yard. I had no house for them. They kept coming back day after day. We got a martin house a few weeks later & they have been coming back every year since. I average 12-15 pair per year.
Doug:
My colony is doing good. 11 pair & a spare. Lost several eggs due to the cold snap, but at tonights nest check I have 23 chicks & 12 more eggs to go. Altho I know some of them won't hatch.
With all this rain/humidity/etc I only had one nest with mites. Got on it right away & treated both houses just in case.
Had one chick that was only a few days old rolled (or was shoved) out of the nest tray to the opening. When I found him he was looking bad. Cold & sort of yellow belly. I placed him back in the nest. Waited 2 hours & checked him again. His color was better & he was warm. I decided, since he was smaller than the rest, to feed him a few crickets dipped in orange Gatorade. Next day you couldn't tell which one he was
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I had some problems for a short while with SY Males early on, but those that stayed found mates & settled down. The rest left.
I also just got a new ASY Male a few days ago. He's building 2 nests, including mud dams. He has no mate. No idea where he came from, but I am thinking his mate either died or was killed & he left his colony. There are no colonies real close to me, so no idea where he came from.
Blowfly larva can drain a chick in 2-4 days depending on how many are on the chick. I'd risk doing nest checks if you think you have nests with them now....
As far as doing nest check when some are not far from fledging....you might try tapping the pole, which often scares them back into the nest. Then lower slowly & stuff the openings with rags, that have long strings attached you can reach from the ground once housees are raised. Plug the nests that have older chicks in first. I've done this many times. After nests are changed, chicks inspected for pests/etc, raise your housing & let the rags in for about 5 minutes. Then pull them out.
The weather doesn't look too good for the next few days...more rain. Then high heat is to follow. Humidity here has been 90-100%. Like living in a sauna! I flipped crickets this morning to hungry adults. They can't find food with all this rain.
Best wishes,
Toy in PA
My colony is doing good. 11 pair & a spare. Lost several eggs due to the cold snap, but at tonights nest check I have 23 chicks & 12 more eggs to go. Altho I know some of them won't hatch.
With all this rain/humidity/etc I only had one nest with mites. Got on it right away & treated both houses just in case.
Had one chick that was only a few days old rolled (or was shoved) out of the nest tray to the opening. When I found him he was looking bad. Cold & sort of yellow belly. I placed him back in the nest. Waited 2 hours & checked him again. His color was better & he was warm. I decided, since he was smaller than the rest, to feed him a few crickets dipped in orange Gatorade. Next day you couldn't tell which one he was
I had some problems for a short while with SY Males early on, but those that stayed found mates & settled down. The rest left.
I also just got a new ASY Male a few days ago. He's building 2 nests, including mud dams. He has no mate. No idea where he came from, but I am thinking his mate either died or was killed & he left his colony. There are no colonies real close to me, so no idea where he came from.
Blowfly larva can drain a chick in 2-4 days depending on how many are on the chick. I'd risk doing nest checks if you think you have nests with them now....
As far as doing nest check when some are not far from fledging....you might try tapping the pole, which often scares them back into the nest. Then lower slowly & stuff the openings with rags, that have long strings attached you can reach from the ground once housees are raised. Plug the nests that have older chicks in first. I've done this many times. After nests are changed, chicks inspected for pests/etc, raise your housing & let the rags in for about 5 minutes. Then pull them out.
The weather doesn't look too good for the next few days...more rain. Then high heat is to follow. Humidity here has been 90-100%. Like living in a sauna! I flipped crickets this morning to hungry adults. They can't find food with all this rain.
Best wishes,
Toy in PA
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Doug Martin - PA
- Posts: 1988
- Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:47 am
- Location: Pennsylvania/Fombell
- Martin Colony History: First pair in 2009 after 28 years of trying. 3 pairs 2010, 17 pairs 2011 and 35-45 pairs since. Many additional colonies are now springing up around mine in an area once completely void of Martins. I offer 50 compartments at my site consisting of primarily Excluder II gourds on Gemini racks. Also a wooden T-14. I utilize electric fence type predator guards on the base of the poles. Supplemental feeding is crucial in maintaining my colony. I platform feed throughout the season as needed. My site tends to be a stop over point for additional birds as they migrate further north.
I have managed to work though all the housing and get nest changes done.
Can't stress enough how important it is to do these checks and nest changes. I used pieces of swimming pool noodle in the entrances to keep near fledgers in their cavities.
There were a few real bad nests. Found another dead sub adult in one. Another wet with heavy blowfly. Others were fine and dry. Anything fledged replaces with nice clean pine straw.
Now when they come back in the evening there is a nice fresh place for the family at night.
So many extra birds here now. It's a happier group now.
Do nest checks. Change nests. It saves lives.
Happy 4th
Doug
Can't stress enough how important it is to do these checks and nest changes. I used pieces of swimming pool noodle in the entrances to keep near fledgers in their cavities.
There were a few real bad nests. Found another dead sub adult in one. Another wet with heavy blowfly. Others were fine and dry. Anything fledged replaces with nice clean pine straw.
Now when they come back in the evening there is a nice fresh place for the family at night.
So many extra birds here now. It's a happier group now.
Do nest checks. Change nests. It saves lives.
Happy 4th
Doug
Supplemental feeding plays a major role in Western Pennsylvania. Finally got my 1st pair in 2009 after 28 years of effort. The colony has grown quickly to 45 pairs that I care for. Many new colonies have now sprung up around me in the past few years as well. Where there was none.... there is many.
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Doug Martin - PA
- Posts: 1988
- Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:47 am
- Location: Pennsylvania/Fombell
- Martin Colony History: First pair in 2009 after 28 years of trying. 3 pairs 2010, 17 pairs 2011 and 35-45 pairs since. Many additional colonies are now springing up around mine in an area once completely void of Martins. I offer 50 compartments at my site consisting of primarily Excluder II gourds on Gemini racks. Also a wooden T-14. I utilize electric fence type predator guards on the base of the poles. Supplemental feeding is crucial in maintaining my colony. I platform feed throughout the season as needed. My site tends to be a stop over point for additional birds as they migrate further north.
I bumped this thread up because this was the year "Buddy" first made his appearance at my site as a SY sub adult. The '"dethroning" occurred in the same gourd he has faithfully returned to each year. (It's got a SE facing pond view) Thought some might find it interesting because the following year 2014 he was the first to arrive in early March when lakes were still frozen and he survived some of the worst weather a Martin could imagine. He continued to show up very early thereafter.
This first year was extremely wet and cold and I was supplemental feeding most of the summer. So apparently he caught on. We lost a lot of young that year. One particular SY male sure made himself known.
So this leads me to the conclusion "Buddy" was born in 2012 (subbie in 2013) and will be 12 years old this year. Without these prior posts it would be difficult to know. But they created somewhat of a diary of his time at my site throughout the years..
Doug
This first year was extremely wet and cold and I was supplemental feeding most of the summer. So apparently he caught on. We lost a lot of young that year. One particular SY male sure made himself known.
So this leads me to the conclusion "Buddy" was born in 2012 (subbie in 2013) and will be 12 years old this year. Without these prior posts it would be difficult to know. But they created somewhat of a diary of his time at my site throughout the years..
Doug
Supplemental feeding plays a major role in Western Pennsylvania. Finally got my 1st pair in 2009 after 28 years of effort. The colony has grown quickly to 45 pairs that I care for. Many new colonies have now sprung up around me in the past few years as well. Where there was none.... there is many.
