MURDER IN NORTH CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA

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Right, in front, of my watchful eyes the Starlings raided a natural apple tree Titmouse den. They killed the female and ate or damaged her eggs.This all happened in five minutes or less. Two days later the Starlings were building their nest. Mother Titmouse died, on the nest trying, to protect her eggs. It was not a pretty sight. The male survived.

For the record the Starling efforts will have been wasted. They are about, to meet their maker. :evil:

The den will be cleaned out and the entrance equipped with a retort Starling Resistant entrance. I will continue, to do what I can, to reduce the Sparrow and Starling populations, in my immediate area. I would not be so stupid as, to say, this will not happen again. It will not however likely happen at this natural den site if I have anything, to say about it.

This was most disturbing since it was the first Titmouse known, to have attempted nesting, on our property. Fortunately there is a modest remaining population, in our area.
CUL Lou~Mich

Docgipe. This is exactly the reason lots of folks here do their very best to convince New folks that EHS and EUST must be destroyed. When I first got started, I had a BB female, and four babies killed by an EHS. I saw him come out of the box. It's been war ever since. (So far I think I may be winning, but barely) Other folks have posted pictures of European Starling damage. So now I'm after both of these killers. None are allowed to nest on my property, and any I can get a bead on with my pellet gun are history. I eliminate through pellet gun shooting, or trapping every one of these two species. Wish more folks would see the light without having to lose more of our native birds. CUL Lou
Mary Dawnsong
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From the book The Birds of British Columbia (Campbell et al)
For the full text describing the invasion of the European Starling into British Columbia, see:
http://www.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/nh_paper ... rling.html
There has been concern that the introduction of large numbers of European
Starlings to the ecosystems of North America has caused the numbers of
some native species to decline. The starling is a cavity-nesting species.
In British Columbia, when away from an urban setting, it frequently nests
in cavities excavated by the larger woodpeckers. These cavities are also
used by such native species as Mountain and Western bluebirds, Tree and
Violet-green swallows, Purple Martin, House Wren, American Kestrel,
Northern Pygmy Owl, Northern Saw-whet Owl, Western Screech-Owl,
Bufflehead, Barrow's and Common goldeneyes, Wood Duck, and woodpeckers.
A study of nest cavities previously used by the Northern Flicker,
Mountain Bluebird, and Tree Swallow at Westwick Lake (near Williams Lake),
found that the proportion usurped by the starling increased from 40% to 80%
over 3 years (Myres 1957).
In the same region, European Starlings usurped
nest cavities previously occupied by Buffleheads (Erskine 1972).
However, there has been no detailed study to determine the impact of the
starling in British Columbia as a major competitor of the native species
for scarce nest sites. An anecdotal account from California (Weitzel 1988)
describes the experience in a small area (0.35 ha) on which 14 pairs of
native species had nested before the European Starling invasion.
The native species included American Kestrel, Mountain Bluebird,
Northern Flicker, Olive-sided Flycatcher, Mourning Dove, Tree Swallow,
House Wren, House Finch, and House Sparrow. The European Starling displaced
all of them by nest takeover or harassment, and none nested on the property
for 5 years. After the starlings were removed, the native species returned.

The US Fish and Wildlife Service promotes "elimination" of non-native, unprotected
House Sparrows and European Starlings.


From their online pamphlet MIGRATORY SONGBIRD CONSERVATION at: http://library.fws.gov/Bird_Publication ... l#Sparrows
House Sparrows and Starlings - Every Spring, birds that nest in cavities compete with
each other for a limited number of nest sites. The neotropical migrants that nest in cavities
- purple martins, tree swallows and great-crested flycatchers - have adapted to competition
from chickadees, titmice and woodpeckers.

The "rules of competition" changed around the turn of the century when we humans
imported two European cavity nesting species: house sparrows and starlings.


House sparrows eliminate nest competitors by attacking the adults and killing the young
when they are on the nest. Starlings eliminate nest competitors by taking over cavity
nesting sites. Our native birds don't seem to be able to defend themselves from house
sparrow and starling attacks. So, if you put up a nest box to help bluebirds, martins,
chickadees, titmice, woodpecker, wrens or flycatchers, you must monitor the box and
eliminate house sparrows and starlings.

The United States Geological Survey recommends the use of traps to "eliminate" non-native,
unprotected House Sparrows and European Starlings.


From http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/resource/1999 ... exotic.htm
A major factor leading to the decline of eastern bluebird populations has been nesting
competition with non-native species, specifically European starlings and house sparrows......

Trapping and eliminating the adult bird in the box is more effective
than simply removing the nests. Trapping with inside-the-box traps or bait-type traps
such as those made by Trio, and Hav-a-hart, is recommended.
If uncomfortable with
removing the birds or nests, another option is to vigorously shake the eggs, or addle them,
for 60 seconds and leave them in the nest so that the female will continue to expend
reproductive energy without hatching success. This also prevents the exotic species
from attempting to take over another box.
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"In Michigan every martin matters"
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This morning the Starlings go to busy and careless. They are no more. This afternoon the starling resistant entrance will be applied, to the natural apple tree cavity. I will trim the apple tree to create better shooting lanes.

I am in absolute agreement. The English Sparrows and Starlings must be harassed if not controlled in a song bird environment.

I would however not argue the point with anyone who feels differently. For those that move and release I might say that my experience with
English House Sparrows proved that five miles was not far enough . That being said I likely passed thousands, of them, in a five mile trip. In order to keep my small place relatively free, of them, I must trap and shoot constantly.
Donnie Hurdt MN
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If you harass them enough you will learn that the survivors will learn to stay away. I have shot only four starlings this year so far and no sparrows. Looking back at the last two years at this time the count was in the high twentys. I also have two s/scontrollers up and neither one has caught anything.
PMCA member and Martin fanatic....
2011 A pair of subbies fledged three young but none returned in 2012 :-(
2015 One Pair of subbies came and stayed a few nits but got chased away by Bluebirds and Tree swallows. :-(
2017 0ne pair of subbies nested and fledged 4 young
2018 Tree Swallows AGAIN chased away any martins that wanted to nest :evil:
2019 Same old story................ :-(
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I am fortunate in that I never see Starlings on my property, but I have House Sparrows. I have a pellet gun for the HS's but so far only the males because they are easy for me to distinguish from other sparrows. I am not so sure with the females tho in distingishing it from other females, not as easy. and I usually don't have much time to take action before it is gone. If it is hanging around with a male HS then I can presume its a HS female but I have yet to get one.
Your story makes me want to shoot and ask questions later.
fred
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Sorry to hear of the damage the Starling caused. See my post under Vincent Loeckle Starling.
I have killed 25 or more Starlings so far and I'm not going to give them any room.
Next spring I'm going to build a box trap. They work and work very well in heavy population of Starlings.

Make a box out of 4 16 foot 2"x6" or 8" boards. Bolt them to gether to make a box. On top put chicken wire with one inch holes. Set it out in an open area and put a 4 foot 2"x4" under one side. Use suit cakes and lettuce for bait. Oh! Forgot hook a rope around the bottom of the 2"x4".
Let them feed for a day or two and when you get a big flock in there jerk the rope. You will be surprised at the number you will get at one time. One word of caution! Use a face mask and gloves while disposing of your catch. In 1967 I was handling Sparrows and spent 3 weeks in the hospital with Encephlitise
Vince
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Sex the female English House Sparrow as the one with the male when they are building nests.

Backyard lighting should not bother Martins. The largest colony we have seen was, in the village, of Greencastle, Pennsylvania. It was built, on the telephone poles, in center square just under the street lights. Major traffic passed by 24/7. Lash Laroo and Annie Oakly shooting it up didn't even bother them........not to mention the political gatherings and other such activities. Those street lights stayed on all night.
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I know that this is a PM forum, but I had to mention to you that as I speak I have a Titmouse pair nesting in a bush alongside my deck.
I put out some hair from my cat and they are using that to build their nest. Previously they were using some cotton I had used to plug a bee hole, and after I saw that I put out the cat hair.
Titmouse are alive, well, and breeding in Connecticut. Also, my BlueBirds did come back yesterday and are going in and out of my three BB houses on my property.
Nothing to report on the PM progress, but the computer works fine with my Dawnsong CD and the outside wireless speakers every morning from 4:30 am till 10am.
Fred
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Fred...............that Titmouse report is better than the one that started this line.
Peggy Riley
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Location: TX/Tolar

I have a titmouse pair in a natural gourd with a crescent entrance. The gourd was too small for my PM's. BB's and wrens have also used this gourd.
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Hey guys and girls............I am as I speak germinating Birdhouse Gourd Seed. I will have some to play with this winter. Then I too shall have the best of both worlds.............big gourds, small gourds and gourds, to burn.

I am absolutely sure we can get more nesting Titmouse and Tree Swallows, and Blue Birds, by working the edges, of our property. My neighbor is getting into the pleasures of watching the birds. That opens up another edge facing Southeast to Southwest. Excellent! I shall give him some more to watch. :lol:
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