Late Arrival

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jaceman
Posts: 3
Joined: Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:38 am
Location: Nederland, TX

Anyone else seeing a later than usual arrival at your colony? Mine usually show up around the second or third week of February. This time it was close to March 1st.

Jace Stansbury
Nederland, TX
C.C.Martins
Posts: 3368
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
2022- 33 pair. 151 fledged
2023- 33 pair. 165 fledged
2024- 40 pair. 185 fledged
2025- 40 pair. 181 fledged
HOSP:
Home colony: mix natural, super, Troyer and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.

Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 49 PMCA excluder gourds; 16 room Lonestar Goliad with Modified Excluder entrances.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
2022: 11 pair, 35 fledged
2023: 18 pair, 101 fledged
2024: 39 pair, 181 fledged
2025: 51 pair, 216 fledged
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Yes sir very late. End of jan last year, 14 feb this year. Next year I don't know what to shoot for so ill be ready Dec 26th haha.
Got to the point I was wondering if I had more predators! But they missed some cold snaps and have since made up for it nicely.
A good house sparrow is a dead house sparrow.
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
jaceman
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Joined: Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:38 am
Location: Nederland, TX

Thanks C.C.!

Jace
Harold Green
Posts: 44
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2004 3:30 pm
Location: Georgia/excited

I have had martins for the last 20 years and they have always returned about last day or two inFeburary. and now it the middle of March and not one has returned, can anyone help me undrstand , i didn't see anything unsual happen last year.
Thanks in advance
Jeff Robinson
Posts: 908
Joined: Mon May 04, 2009 3:32 pm
Location: Rogersville, Missouri
Martin Colony History: 2008 - Current
72 Cavities - 70 Pairs in 2021
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Similar slow migration here in SW Missouri, Harold. For the last two or three years, I had early female scouts in the last few days in February to the first few days in March. I normally have a dozen or two by mid March.
This year had a lone male scout come in on 3/5 and have another male scout hanging around (I think from the other side of the tracks) since 3/7 - Not a peep otherwise.
I read something here recently that approximately 52% of colonies in Louisiana and Texas suffered major losses in the early February freeze, with an approximate 27% loss in breeding population. I have nothing else to validate those numbers - just something I found when I did some research. Good chance a lot of our early birds, resting on their way to us, may have been caught up in that freak of mother nature. 🤷🏽
Good luck!
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dsonyay
Posts: 1677
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:10 pm
Location: Louisiana/Broussard
Martin Colony History: 2010-2014 located in Slidell LA. Gourd rack with 16 gourds. Max of 2 pairs during this short period in Slidell. Plenty of fledglings.

2014-present.. moved to Broussard LA. Same Gourd Rack but added a 6 room house (modified from a 12 room)

2020: after a long drought of nothing, 4 pairs and 4 nests, 23 eggs total.
6 fledges.

2021: 9 pair, 47 eggs
36 hatchlings
30 fledged

2022: about 12 pairs.. many eggs, all fledged.. only had one hatchling die.. probably because of our schnauzer. :(

2023: 16 pairs. So far about 60 chicks with about a dozen eggs to go.

2024: 13 pair. About 60 eggs
2025: 14 pairs .. 69 eggs.

For me it was a few days earlier than last year. Early February … two or three of my friends had tje same experience… a bit earlier. But for the most part .. not much different than last year.

To the people with nothing yet— Have you even heard or spotted any somewhere in the vicinity? Some people only report when their martins return to their address.. even though they are seeing them in the sky for many days (or weeks).
glfriend
Posts: 109
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:55 pm
Location: Virginia
Martin Colony History: 2021- First Colony 8 Pairs 37 eggs 15 Fledged
2022- 12 Pairs 62 Eggs 45 hatched 45 Fledged

I'm in Central Virginia ...last year lone scout came March 8th then several followed . Normally by March 15th I had at least 10 . Thus far none. Another landlord has reported 2 later than normal. Another who had some February 27th last year has none yet. Not sure whats up

Garry
flyin-lowe
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Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

Harold, with a colony that age I would guess they are just a little late this year. Mine had been earlier than ever the last couple years (used to always be after April 1st) and recently it was later in March, last year March 11th. I haven't seen anything yet and I am fine with that.We had warm temps in February but had snow and sub freezing temps all this week. I haven't even seen any tree swallows yet and they are usually 3 weeks or so earlier than the PM's. I typically see them mid to late February.
2026 HOSP 26
2025 62 pair HOSP 20
2024 60 pair, HOSP 44
2023 60+ pair, HOSP 8
2022 60 nests with 262 eggs, HOSP 14
2021 62 pair, HOSP 9
2020 42 nest, HOSP 8
2019- 31 pair
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair, 12 eggs , fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
tsmith437
Posts: 1
Joined: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:04 pm
Location: NC

We've had a huge colony for many years. Saw first scout March 5, which is normal, and then saw 4 a few days later. Since then, have only seen one or two sporadically. This has never happened. And ideas?
C.C.Martins
Posts: 3368
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
2022- 33 pair. 151 fledged
2023- 33 pair. 165 fledged
2024- 40 pair. 185 fledged
2025- 40 pair. 181 fledged
HOSP:
Home colony: mix natural, super, Troyer and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.

Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 49 PMCA excluder gourds; 16 room Lonestar Goliad with Modified Excluder entrances.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
2022: 11 pair, 35 fledged
2023: 18 pair, 101 fledged
2024: 39 pair, 181 fledged
2025: 51 pair, 216 fledged
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2025 was very early for alot of us, 2026 they are coming late. No idea why. Dont know if its a need for worry, even the hummingbirds are slow this year.
The ones that are here are healthy, guarding cavities now. More males vs females. Would imagine the subbies are going to be late too.
A good house sparrow is a dead house sparrow.
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
Dave Reynolds
Posts: 2441
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm
Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”..
2018 - 15 Pair, 36 Fledged
2019 - 26 Pair, 97 Fledged
2020 - 30 Pair, 137 Fledged
2021 - 30 Pair, 144 Fledged
2022 - 27 Pair, 125 Fledged
2023 - 31 Pair, 130 Fledged
2024 - 41 Pair, 198 Fledged
2025 - 44 Pair, 168 Fledged

Home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".
2019 - 1 Pair, 5 Fledged
2020 - 1 Pair, 4 Fledged
2021 - 8 Pair, 36 Fledged
2022 - 13 Pair, 46 Fledged
2023 - 16 Pair, 84 Fledged
2024 - 22 Pair, 104 Fledged
2025 - 28 Pair, 83 Fledged

.. Yes they are a little late this year, but only because they had a very early date last year.. March 19 was very early for me last year, so I'm not sure if they are late until after the average date of April 5th.. :grin:

Dave
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Little Hocking, Ohio
Harold Green
Posts: 44
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2004 3:30 pm
Location: Georgia/excited

As I posted earlier they are 30 days late and now two males just showed up . they are usually here about last few days of February
and now it's 25 th day of March which is very strange after 20 years.
Prison police
Posts: 7
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:52 pm
Location: Marion ohio

I am in Central Ohio and still waiting. Last year my female scout arrived on a rainy March 20th day., The map for Ohio definitely does not match last years. I still see some pretty good sized colonies still not on the map but strangely see some way north of me and the others. Mother nature is definitely messing with our birds. Ill keep watching and like the others , pray everything works out
2018 12 cavities offered with one visitor
2019 12 cavities offered with several visitors
2020 12 cavities offered with (2) SY pairs / 7 fledglings.
2021 18 cavities offered with (1) SY pair (1) ASY pair (9) fledglings
2022 18 cavities offered with 10 pair with 30 fledged
2023 18 cavities offered with 12 pair with 38 fledged
2024 38 cavities offered with 16 pair with 80 fledged
2025 46 cavities offered with 24 pair with 123 fledged
2026 52 cavities offered.
kborder
Posts: 62
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:02 pm
Location: Ohio/Dresden

We are in southeastern Ohio, landlords for 30 years. About 35 nesting pairs last year. I am so worried about the lack of Martins this spring! We have never seen this. Had 2 on March 31, only one adult male hung around. Had a female for a few hours that didn’t stay, then a second adult male. Weirdest part….. we had a subadult male last evening, no females and only the 2 adult males. Crossing fingers for arrivals soon. Just glad to know it’s not just our colony, but still a worry.
Habsboy
Posts: 46
Joined: Fri May 11, 2018 5:38 pm
Location: Gesto, Ontario

no worries....birds know when the proper time is. All these migrations are weather dependant and they will be here when the time is right. Each spring and different weather patterns, cant seem to base the returns from year to year.
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