Is this a pair?

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Buda Martins
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These two have been constantly here for a week now. I'm thinking sub adult male and asy female? At times I have 3 hanging out. They are in/out of all 6 gourds but have not picked one yet. The male has been here longer so it make me wonder if she needs to rest and fatten up after migration. Is it normal to not be making a nest yet?
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Jones4381
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Martin Colony History: 2020- 0
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looks like two sub males to me but I'm not the best at identifying visually. I'm more about sounds and the actions of the SY-M's as it's easier imo. I think you're going to begin your colony this year. Good luck and great photo's.
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Martintown33
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Martin Colony History: Colony started in 1998. 2 s&k modified houses and gourd rack

It’s hard to tell with the shadows on their heads but Looks like 2 SY males as both of these birds head feathers appear to be completely purple.. or is that a silhouette effect..? As Jones said you can identify by their chirping.. if they do the series of fast “click” sounds after a singing phrase, then they’re males..
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millerjr88
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Joined: Mon May 09, 2022 8:41 am
Location: Orwell, OH
Martin Colony History: 2020 - 1 pair SY, 4 eggs, hatched and fledged only 1 due to a lone male SY that carried some of the eggs out of the nest.
2021 - 2 pair SY, fledged 7, 2 lone male SY
2022- 2 pair ASY, 3 pair SY, 22 eggs laid, hatched 19, fledged 16. Also one pair SY that nested but did not lay eggs.
2023- 13 pair, 60 eggs, fledged 47.
2024- 21 pair, 94 eggs, fledged 75.

One of the easiest visual identifiers for me is the females will have a light gray/whiteish area on their forehead right above their eyes. The SY males normally have a darker/purple forehead. With a good pair of binoculars there is a noticeable difference as long as they are holding still.
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randyM
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Location: Long Lake SD
Martin Colony History: * 2016 - 1 pair (ASYM + SYF) 2/3 eggs hatched 2 young fledged.
* 2017 - 4 pairs, 16/17 eggs hatched, 16 fledged, 16 banded - 2 banded SY returned in 2018 (12.5%)
* 2018 - 10 pairs, 46/52 eggs hatched, 45 fledged, 29 young banded - 3 banded SY returned in 2019 (10.3%)
*2019 - 32 pairs, 145/160 eggs hatched, 139 fledged - 87 young banded - 12 banded SY returned in 2020 (13.8%).
* 2020 - 35 pairs, 180/199 eggs hatched, 178 fledged - 150 young banded & 42 SY returned (28.0%)
* 2021 - 89 pairs, 363/446 eggs hatched, 355 fledged - 150 young banded & 19 SY returned (12.7%)
*2022 - 116 pairs, 495/579 eggs hatched, 471 fledged - 150 young banded & 27 SY returned (18.0%)
*2023 - 160 pairs, 708/828 eggs hatched, 572 fledged - 150 young banded & 38 SY returned (25.3%)
*2024 - 235 pairs, 950/1153 eggs hatched, 865 fledged - 100 young banded & 18 SY returned (18.0%)
*2025 - 200 pairs, 795/953 eggs hatched, 739 fledged - 200 young banded

Based on what I can tell from the pics, it looks more than likely you have 2 SY males. SY females typically have nearly all white under covert tail feathers, with perhaps a narrow darker line on the main shaft of those feathers. The tail coverts of these two appear to have too much dark color....maybe one could be an ASY female, hard to tell for sure with the shadowed pictures. Hopefully they attract more martins to your site and eventually pair up and begin to nest.

Good luck!!
Jones4381
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2025 54 Pair -178

millerjr88 wrote:
Thu May 11, 2023 12:30 pm
One of the easiest visual identifiers for me is the females will have a light gray/whiteish area on their forehead right above their eyes. The SY males normally have a darker/purple forehead. With a good pair of binoculars there is a noticeable difference as long as they are holding still.
Thanks for this insight...observing this morning several SY pairs with full morning sun views, I believe you are correct and this is very helpful.
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Buda Martins
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Looks like it's a pair. She has been busy the last few days. Hoping to see some eggs soon.
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Jones4381
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Martin Colony History: 2020- 0
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2025 54 Pair -178

congrats on your first pair. Keep a close eye monitoring and hopefully they will successfully lay and raise a brood of chicks this season...off you go!
"Be content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you." - Lao Tzu
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