Damned if you do and Damned if you don't!
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birdman in buckhead
- Posts: 181
- Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:47 am
- Location: Small Town Buckhead, GA (not ATL Buckhead)
- Martin Colony History: 2018: 1 pair, 5 fledged
2019: 3 pairs, 10 fledged
2020: 3 pairs, 13 fledged
2021: 13 pairs, 46 fledged
2022: 22 pairs, 89 fledged
2023: 20 pairs, 85 fledged
2024: 18 pairs, 80 fledged
2025: 17 pairs, 80 fledged
Hi folks. Due to the heat I put up shade on the gourd racks using some thin, rigid and reflective insulation. It's like bubble wrap between 2 sheets of aluminum foil. It worked good until a "cool" front came through and brought some high winds. I use a homemade pulley system to lower and raise the racks for nest checks. Now the insulation is acting like a sail and whipping the racks around, and up and down - throwing one hatchling on the ground that was on the front porch. I don't want to take the insulation off because it's still very hot. The cool front only lowered the humidity a little. The only thing I could think to do was to lower the racks. They're now about 8 feet off the ground but the parent birds don't seem to care that much. Plus it's not as far to fall for the early wannabe fledglings!
GEAUX TIGERS!
Cheers!
Terry
Cheers!
Terry
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Martintown33
- Posts: 1366
- Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:21 pm
- Location: Laplace,La
- Martin Colony History: Colony started in 1998. 2 s&k modified houses and gourd rack
Yes, lowering your houses or gourds won’t affect the martins at all.. especially after they’ve nested and have young..
Good luck,
Rob
Good luck,
Rob
PMCA member
Laplace, La
Laplace, La
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Dave Duit
- Posts: 2145
- Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:02 pm
- Location: Iowa / Nevada
- Martin Colony History: In 2024, 82 pair with 350 fledged youngsters. 110 total cavities available, 82 Troyer Horizontal gourds and a homemade PVC / metal 28 compartment unit, 1 fallout shelter. Hawk and owl guards included. Martin educator and speaker. President and founder of the Iowa Purple Martin Organization. Please visit Iowa Purple Martin Organization on Facebook link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1627283871068161 Emails send to [email protected]. Subject line include Iowa Purple Martin.
Hi Birdman,
At the end of the season start thinking about strengthening the roofing / shading material. Do whatever it takes to make a permanent, solid and strong shading system. People who visit my colony usually respond with their jaws dropping after the realize the lengths I go to ensure safety and quality of their housing. I have three large gourd racks, each equip with 10 foot circular shape corrugated roofing, 4 X 4 inch grid goat fencing around each rack system to keep out owls and every gourd and or metal housing unit has either elbow vents of aluminum round vents. For early spring arrivals I have a pull out heating box with ceramic heaters for cold weather. I went a little overboard in details, but it is all fun for me.
So, back to answering your question. Just beef up the shading for the next season. Something that can also stop hail storms and brutal heat waves.
At the end of the season start thinking about strengthening the roofing / shading material. Do whatever it takes to make a permanent, solid and strong shading system. People who visit my colony usually respond with their jaws dropping after the realize the lengths I go to ensure safety and quality of their housing. I have three large gourd racks, each equip with 10 foot circular shape corrugated roofing, 4 X 4 inch grid goat fencing around each rack system to keep out owls and every gourd and or metal housing unit has either elbow vents of aluminum round vents. For early spring arrivals I have a pull out heating box with ceramic heaters for cold weather. I went a little overboard in details, but it is all fun for me.
So, back to answering your question. Just beef up the shading for the next season. Something that can also stop hail storms and brutal heat waves.
Dave Duit wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:22 pmHi Birdman,
At the end of the season start thinking about strengthening the roofing / shading material. Do whatever it takes to make a permanent, solid and strong shading system. People who visit my colony usually respond with their jaws dropping after the realize the lengths I go to ensure safety and quality of their housing. I have three large gourd racks, each equip with 10 foot circular shape corrugated roofing, 4 X 4 inch grid goat fencing around each rack system to keep out owls and every gourd and or metal housing unit has either elbow vents of aluminum round vents. For early spring arrivals I have a pull out heating box with ceramic heaters for cold weather. I went a little overboard in details, but it is all fun for me.
So, back to answering your question. Just beef up the shading for the next season. Something that can also stop hail storms and brutal heat waves.
Hi Dave
I don't want to off the poster'd subject for long but ounds like you have locked on heavy duty system and shelters in place and take it very serious. Would you happen to have a couple photos you can paste so we can take a look at it? Corrugated roofing is permanent and the wind can do nothing less its a Tornado or something of that rare order.
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birdman in buckhead
- Posts: 181
- Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:47 am
- Location: Small Town Buckhead, GA (not ATL Buckhead)
- Martin Colony History: 2018: 1 pair, 5 fledged
2019: 3 pairs, 10 fledged
2020: 3 pairs, 13 fledged
2021: 13 pairs, 46 fledged
2022: 22 pairs, 89 fledged
2023: 20 pairs, 85 fledged
2024: 18 pairs, 80 fledged
2025: 17 pairs, 80 fledged
2 pics of my shade design. Do you also want to see my pulley system?
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GEAUX TIGERS!
Cheers!
Terry
Cheers!
Terry
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Dave Duit
- Posts: 2145
- Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:02 pm
- Location: Iowa / Nevada
- Martin Colony History: In 2024, 82 pair with 350 fledged youngsters. 110 total cavities available, 82 Troyer Horizontal gourds and a homemade PVC / metal 28 compartment unit, 1 fallout shelter. Hawk and owl guards included. Martin educator and speaker. President and founder of the Iowa Purple Martin Organization. Please visit Iowa Purple Martin Organization on Facebook link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1627283871068161 Emails send to [email protected]. Subject line include Iowa Purple Martin.
Hi TexasMatt,
I will take a few pics and post them soon .Sorry, it took me so long to respond. Thanks..
I will take a few pics and post them soon .Sorry, it took me so long to respond. Thanks..
Do you have top vents and or cap vents? Also have you tried putting in a wireless thermometer in a unused gourd to see what the temp actually is? If all the gourds are used put one under a gourd and see what the temp is. Convection and wind maybe providing more cooling then thought.
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C.C.Martins
- Posts: 3368
- Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
- Location: Corpus Christi Tx
- Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
2022- 33 pair. 151 fledged
2023- 33 pair. 165 fledged
2024- 40 pair. 185 fledged
2025- 40 pair. 181 fledged
HOSP:
Home colony: mix natural, super, Troyer and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.
Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 49 PMCA excluder gourds; 16 room Lonestar Goliad with Modified Excluder entrances.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
2022: 11 pair, 35 fledged
2023: 18 pair, 101 fledged
2024: 39 pair, 181 fledged
2025: 51 pair, 216 fledged
PMCA member
Terry those gourds are screaming "vent me", drill a 1 inch hole upper back of the gourd, position the PVC elbow vent downward so rain cant get in and calk it in.
It will do wonders getting air flow through there. Imagine sitting in a hot car with the windows up.
I like the sunshades, much needed now.
It will do wonders getting air flow through there. Imagine sitting in a hot car with the windows up.
I like the sunshades, much needed now.
A good house sparrow is a dead house sparrow.
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
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Dave Duit
- Posts: 2145
- Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:02 pm
- Location: Iowa / Nevada
- Martin Colony History: In 2024, 82 pair with 350 fledged youngsters. 110 total cavities available, 82 Troyer Horizontal gourds and a homemade PVC / metal 28 compartment unit, 1 fallout shelter. Hawk and owl guards included. Martin educator and speaker. President and founder of the Iowa Purple Martin Organization. Please visit Iowa Purple Martin Organization on Facebook link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1627283871068161 Emails send to [email protected]. Subject line include Iowa Purple Martin.
As promised about two weeks ago. Here are some pics of my martin set up. Complete with perches, owl fencing, fencing tail props, pvc tubing circular perching, sun roof of corrugated roofing, floor that stops owls from entering from below. The rack and floor all raise and lower with a 1,000 pound wench. The square rack system is made up of modified grandpa and old style metal housing on a four grid welded metal frame. The fencing is called goat fence; it has 4"" X 4"" mesh openings. The metal four plex also has open areas behind the units so I can slid in a ceramic heating box with open sides. All gourds and metal housing are equip with either 2 inch PVC elbows or soffit aluminum 2 inch louvered vents for heat reduction. Anyway, it's a hobby. lol
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C.C.Martins
- Posts: 3368
- Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
- Location: Corpus Christi Tx
- Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
2022- 33 pair. 151 fledged
2023- 33 pair. 165 fledged
2024- 40 pair. 185 fledged
2025- 40 pair. 181 fledged
HOSP:
Home colony: mix natural, super, Troyer and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.
Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 49 PMCA excluder gourds; 16 room Lonestar Goliad with Modified Excluder entrances.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
2022: 11 pair, 35 fledged
2023: 18 pair, 101 fledged
2024: 39 pair, 181 fledged
2025: 51 pair, 216 fledged
PMCA member
Dave,
Gasp!!! My gosh, what a set up. Looks like you took each problem and put the fixes all together. That is amazing. Good lord, I was proud when I put a winch on a trio mini castle haha.
Amazing. Bit more than a hobby sir.....more like a lifestyle done right.
Good pictures,
Tom
Gasp!!! My gosh, what a set up. Looks like you took each problem and put the fixes all together. That is amazing. Good lord, I was proud when I put a winch on a trio mini castle haha.
Amazing. Bit more than a hobby sir.....more like a lifestyle done right.
Good pictures,
Tom
A good house sparrow is a dead house sparrow.
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
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Dave Duit
- Posts: 2145
- Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:02 pm
- Location: Iowa / Nevada
- Martin Colony History: In 2024, 82 pair with 350 fledged youngsters. 110 total cavities available, 82 Troyer Horizontal gourds and a homemade PVC / metal 28 compartment unit, 1 fallout shelter. Hawk and owl guards included. Martin educator and speaker. President and founder of the Iowa Purple Martin Organization. Please visit Iowa Purple Martin Organization on Facebook link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1627283871068161 Emails send to [email protected]. Subject line include Iowa Purple Martin.
Thanks for the kind words. The owl cage is connected to a 31 foot steel band attaches about 10 inches down from the top of the cage. The roof sits inside the metal band. The metal band is welded to 8 heavy duty metal arm rods that then are welded to a center hub. The hub slides up and down the 4 by 6 inch 1/2 inch thick walled steel pole; cemented in a cubic yard of cement in the ground. I guess you could call it a system on steroids. lol. Yes, you are correct it is a hobby that went to extremes. The smaller platform feeder in the background is an experimental design in the works, which keeps out starlings and robins from eating the expensive crickets,.
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Dave Duit
- Posts: 2145
- Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:02 pm
- Location: Iowa / Nevada
- Martin Colony History: In 2024, 82 pair with 350 fledged youngsters. 110 total cavities available, 82 Troyer Horizontal gourds and a homemade PVC / metal 28 compartment unit, 1 fallout shelter. Hawk and owl guards included. Martin educator and speaker. President and founder of the Iowa Purple Martin Organization. Please visit Iowa Purple Martin Organization on Facebook link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1627283871068161 Emails send to [email protected]. Subject line include Iowa Purple Martin.
The owl cage is a fixed structure to the pole and does not lower. The gourds and bottom floor raise and lower. The floor is attached to the rack itself via metal wire. When raised the floor will touch the bottom of the cage. The cage has pvc tubing on the top for perching and the bottom for a good seal to the floor for the martins protection.
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MY FYN 79
- Posts: 163
- Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:58 pm
- Location: Chilton Wisconsin
- Martin Colony History: 2019 - Sighting
2020 - Pair investigating
2021 - Got 2 eggs. HOSPs poked holes in them. Commence HOSP reduction
2022 - Off to a good start, tree swallows took over and Martins left
2023 - Off to a good start, Martin population dwindled and they eventually left
2024 - New standalone pole and gourd rack. 1 nest, 4 eggs, none hatched
2025 - 9 nests, 37 eggs, 23 hatched, 19 fledged!
Amazing setup Dave! Did it take any getting used to for the Martins to go through the fencing to get to the gourds?
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Dave Duit
- Posts: 2145
- Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:02 pm
- Location: Iowa / Nevada
- Martin Colony History: In 2024, 82 pair with 350 fledged youngsters. 110 total cavities available, 82 Troyer Horizontal gourds and a homemade PVC / metal 28 compartment unit, 1 fallout shelter. Hawk and owl guards included. Martin educator and speaker. President and founder of the Iowa Purple Martin Organization. Please visit Iowa Purple Martin Organization on Facebook link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1627283871068161 Emails send to [email protected]. Subject line include Iowa Purple Martin.
The martins adapted quickly to the owl cages. Now there are benefits to having the cages. Other than keeping the owl out, the martins use the 4 x 4 inch mesh openings as perches. The tail props also enable martins to perch and take turns when it comes to feeding the youngsters. One will wait on the fencing while the other exits the gourd, They just quickly take turns.
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Martintown33
- Posts: 1366
- Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:21 pm
- Location: Laplace,La
- Martin Colony History: Colony started in 1998. 2 s&k modified houses and gourd rack
Wow! What a setup ! That’s not a hobby, that’s a military strength purple Martin bomb shelter! Great job!
Rob
Rob
PMCA member
Laplace, La
Laplace, La
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C.C.Martins
- Posts: 3368
- Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
- Location: Corpus Christi Tx
- Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
2022- 33 pair. 151 fledged
2023- 33 pair. 165 fledged
2024- 40 pair. 185 fledged
2025- 40 pair. 181 fledged
HOSP:
Home colony: mix natural, super, Troyer and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.
Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 49 PMCA excluder gourds; 16 room Lonestar Goliad with Modified Excluder entrances.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
2022: 11 pair, 35 fledged
2023: 18 pair, 101 fledged
2024: 39 pair, 181 fledged
2025: 51 pair, 216 fledged
PMCA member
Rob, id say! DoD would be proud!Martintown33 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:53 pmWow! What a setup ! That’s not a hobby, that’s a military strength purple Martin bomb shelter! Great job!
Rob
A good house sparrow is a dead house sparrow.
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
