Strategic House Sparrow trapping

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KathyF
Posts: 3522
Joined: Thu May 24, 2007 1:57 pm
Location: Missouri/Licking
Martin Colony History: Colony started - 2007 with one pair
As of 2018 - 84 cavities offered, max # of pairs hosted - 82.

My husband just laughs and shakes his head when I grab a screw driver, hammer and wood. :lol: But after trapping over 20 HOSP in this trap, who's laughing now? ;) (He does recommend that I put a couple coats of paint on it, so it will last longer).

Here's an idea for a cheap, homemade nestbox trap. My neighbor has a large horse barn and lets the House sparrows breed in it. I hear them cheep, cheep, cheeping when I walk by and after it's first year, I knew I'd have to do something. I learned last year that if I put up my nice (cheap), homemade trap between his barn (property line is the fence just behind the box) and all my bluebird / tree swallow and martin housing, that I frequently trap the HOSP before they interfere with any of my other nesting birds.
This is a 2 chamber nest box trap. The door on the left is a trap door for Trios that was sent to me by someone on the PMCA forum a while back. I just mounted it to the front of this 'box' that I screwed together out of left over wood. The other chamber has a Van Ert trap in it. On the back are 2 doors, 1 for each chamber.
I had a problem with the blue birds and tree swallows insisting on trying to nest here, so I finally closed down the box on the right and cut a smaller hole out of a sour cream lid, then duct-taped it over the larger hole on the door. Since then, I've only caught HOSP in this trap. The roof rests on top of the two T-posts and to keep it from tipping, I have 2 screws on each side, just far enough apart to let the trap slide down the t-posts.
Either I've gotten really lucky, or my idea of 'distract & intercept the HOSP' before they get to the other nest boxes was spot on. I like the portability of this trap too. I've actually opened the door and the HOSP refused to come out. So, I would lift the trap off the posts, take it home and put it in a large garbage bag and open the back door to get him / her out. Then just put the trap back.

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"Sometimes", said Pooh, "the smallest things take up the most room in your heart."
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MamaBruff
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Joined: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:21 pm
Location: SW Missouri
Martin Colony History: 2013-2016 Unsuccessful at starting a PM colony. Health problems.
Rehomed all my PM stuff. Good Luck and Best Wishes to All.

Kathy,
I like the way you think! Just tell me, what size do you make that hole to keep out the BBs and let in the HOSPs? I have a similar situation here at my place.
Thx!
Mary
~Mary B~

Lifelong PM Admirer and Nature Enthusiast.
Ruthless trapper of S&S year round.
2013-2016 Unsuccessful at starting a PM colony. Health problems.
Rehomed all my PM stuff. Good Luck and Best Wishes to All.
KathyF
Posts: 3522
Joined: Thu May 24, 2007 1:57 pm
Location: Missouri/Licking
Martin Colony History: Colony started - 2007 with one pair
As of 2018 - 84 cavities offered, max # of pairs hosted - 82.

Mary, I used a 1 3/8" Forstner bit to cut the hole but they were still squeezing, so I adjusted it down another 1/16" by sliding the lid over the door edge. That did the trick! So, the net effect is 1 5/16". I hope that makes sense - if you look really, really close at the hole you can just make out the edge of the door where I slid the hole of the lid past it (bottom left part).
"Sometimes", said Pooh, "the smallest things take up the most room in your heart."
2023 - 82 pair
2022 - 80 pair
2021 - 75 pair
2020 - 78 pair
2019 - 80 pair
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MamaBruff
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Joined: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:21 pm
Location: SW Missouri
Martin Colony History: 2013-2016 Unsuccessful at starting a PM colony. Health problems.
Rehomed all my PM stuff. Good Luck and Best Wishes to All.

Kathy,

Got it! 1 5/16". I couldn't make out the rim of the hole in the pic, but completely understand the concept. Great Idea! "A girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do"!

So, is this a prototype for a BB Excluder HOSP trap? I like it! Just drill a little escape hole for chickadees and wrens, and paint it all pretty. It can be decorative AND functional! You could market it as Aunt Kathy's Excluder Sparrow Trap, and get Uncle Blaine to sell it for you! Just a thought, as a way to add to the "cricket and egg" fund! :)

I hope your birds are doing well, tho our MO weather is still mostly crappy with scattered "nice" days. In a way, I'm glad I don't have any birds yet, as still in PM "boot camp" and learning every day. Thanks for sharing!

Mary
~Mary B~

Lifelong PM Admirer and Nature Enthusiast.
Ruthless trapper of S&S year round.
2013-2016 Unsuccessful at starting a PM colony. Health problems.
Rehomed all my PM stuff. Good Luck and Best Wishes to All.
BuddyS
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Joined: Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:10 am
Location: MO/Chesterfield

Hi Ladies. How big is the escape hole for chickadees and wrens?
Buddy Sowell
KathyF
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Joined: Thu May 24, 2007 1:57 pm
Location: Missouri/Licking
Martin Colony History: Colony started - 2007 with one pair
As of 2018 - 84 cavities offered, max # of pairs hosted - 82.

I don't have one in this house for them, as I have never seen them out in the open field like this, so I've never had the need. All my carolina wrens and chickadees stay up in my forested area and use the nest boxes I have there. I think wrens / carolina & other, & chickadees prefer wooded areas or at least to be close to them.

In checking the entrances needed for both, the diameter is pretty close (1 1/8" (house wren) and 1 1/4 (chickadee)), so I'm inclined to not put one on my trap. I keep a pretty close eye on it, checking it every 2-3 hours, so I don't have to worry about native birds staying in it too long.

Mary may have other info...
"Sometimes", said Pooh, "the smallest things take up the most room in your heart."
2023 - 82 pair
2022 - 80 pair
2021 - 75 pair
2020 - 78 pair
2019 - 80 pair
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Jack Petty-IL
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Location: Illinois

Highly effective! I like it Kathy! thanks for posting.
Jack-IL
MamaBruff
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Location: SW Missouri
Martin Colony History: 2013-2016 Unsuccessful at starting a PM colony. Health problems.
Rehomed all my PM stuff. Good Luck and Best Wishes to All.

Went out in the deluge and checked the escape hole on my PMCA nestbox trap. It measures 1" and no larger. I do have woods nearby, and chickadees visit my feeder. Not long ago, one entered the trap and popped right out the little hole. HOSP and starling can both stick their heads out of hole, but that's it. My trap is currently right off my patio where I can watch it.

Mary
~Mary B~

Lifelong PM Admirer and Nature Enthusiast.
Ruthless trapper of S&S year round.
2013-2016 Unsuccessful at starting a PM colony. Health problems.
Rehomed all my PM stuff. Good Luck and Best Wishes to All.
Keith
Posts: 435
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:45 pm
Location: Missouri/Ava
Martin Colony History: 85 pair in 2020. Seems fairly consistent the last few years.

Hello Kathy,
I like your idea, "intercepting the enemy". I have to deal with the sparrow issue more than usual this year it seems. A few of my martins are beginning to nest, but most are likely wondering why they left South America too soon. I'm hoping for more seasonal weather soon. This cool weather seems not to slow the sparrows in any way however. Hope all is going well with your colony.
Keith
BuddyS
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Thanks Mary. I have to release wrens pretty often and it's good to know I can just add an escape hole. Also, I can get a peak at the trapped bird when he sticks his head out!
Buddy Sowell
KathyF
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Joined: Thu May 24, 2007 1:57 pm
Location: Missouri/Licking
Martin Colony History: Colony started - 2007 with one pair
As of 2018 - 84 cavities offered, max # of pairs hosted - 82.

BuddyS wrote:Thanks Mary. I have to release wrens pretty often and it's good to know I can just add an escape hole. Also, I can get a peak at the trapped bird when he sticks his head out!
Hmmm, now that's an advantage that I never thought of - and you know they'll be poking their heads out! I can tell who is in the trap until I raise the door and they flush into the catch bag. :wink:
"Sometimes", said Pooh, "the smallest things take up the most room in your heart."
2023 - 82 pair
2022 - 80 pair
2021 - 75 pair
2020 - 78 pair
2019 - 80 pair
http://kathyfreeze.blogspot.com
KathyF
Posts: 3522
Joined: Thu May 24, 2007 1:57 pm
Location: Missouri/Licking
Martin Colony History: Colony started - 2007 with one pair
As of 2018 - 84 cavities offered, max # of pairs hosted - 82.

Keith wrote:Hello Kathy,
I like your idea, "intercepting the enemy". I have to deal with the sparrow issue more than usual this year it seems. A few of my martins are beginning to nest, but most are likely wondering why they left South America too soon. I'm hoping for more seasonal weather soon. This cool weather seems not to slow the sparrows in any way however. Hope all is going well with your colony.
Keith
Keith, mine had started bringing in stuff for their nests earlier last week, but of course, when the weather turned bad again yesterday and today, they're just huddling together to keep warm now.

You're right - the HOSP haven't slowed down though. Although, the majority of ones I've been trapping have been dying within 24 hours in my repeating trap (6 out of 7 in the last 10 days). I'm not sure what's going on with them. I've kept HOSP in that trap for 4 or 5 weeks before and they were fine. I'm starting to wonder if my neighbor has contaminated food / grain in his barn and they're getting in to it.

Anyway, starting to look like I'll be full this year. With this crappy weather, I haven't been able to go out & scan for any sub-adults yet. Hoping to do so tomorrow, when we hit 65 -70 again. :wink:

Hope things are going well for you too. :)
"Sometimes", said Pooh, "the smallest things take up the most room in your heart."
2023 - 82 pair
2022 - 80 pair
2021 - 75 pair
2020 - 78 pair
2019 - 80 pair
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Jeff Robinson
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Location: Rogersville, Missouri
Martin Colony History: 2008 - Current
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I can apprecicate your engenuity Kathy - doesn't have to look pretty to work! Unfortunate that your neighbors place is contributing to the problems, but that is, and will forever be a martin landlord's battle.

Good chance you've had subbies for days now. I had a male and female subbie 4/14, and within a few days of that, a couple more females. Between mine and neighbor's colonies, I've see as many as 7 subs.

Jeff
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KathyF
Posts: 3522
Joined: Thu May 24, 2007 1:57 pm
Location: Missouri/Licking
Martin Colony History: Colony started - 2007 with one pair
As of 2018 - 84 cavities offered, max # of pairs hosted - 82.

Jeff, I sent you an email through the PMCA forum about banding - did you get it?
"Sometimes", said Pooh, "the smallest things take up the most room in your heart."
2023 - 82 pair
2022 - 80 pair
2021 - 75 pair
2020 - 78 pair
2019 - 80 pair
http://kathyfreeze.blogspot.com
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